kwaigonegin
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huh? what about Zumwalt? Should't she at least rank up there?!?!
I do not believe 055 is as potent or as advanced as the Zumwalt but of course that is just my personal opinion
People are more than welcome to disagree.
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huh? what about Zumwalt? Should't she at least rank up there?!?!
I do not believe 055 is as potent or as advanced as the Zumwalt but of course that is just my personal opinion
People are more than welcome to disagree.
Jura The idiot
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... but can she sail under her own power now?
What? The Zumwalt can not only launch the ESSM and SM-2, it will also have access to the SM-6 (400+km range).
As for the Pyotr Velikiy, once it gets modernized it will be an unquestionably superior warship to the 055. As is the KDX-III/King Sejong.
IMO the Ticonderoga is at least the equal if not the superior of the 055.
If the 055 is only going to load 112 cells then even 96-cell ships like the Atago/Kongou and Arleigh Burke are in contention to match or beat the 055 in overall combat effectiveness. It is also pure fanboyistic wishful thinking to assume that an AESA like the 346A is automatically superior to a PESA like AN/SPY-1. Far more relevant is the software behind the hardware, and Aegis has already had 4 decades and 7 iterations of experience and refinement.
Hendrik_2000
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How many software update did Vincennes receives when she hit innocent Iranian civilian plane in 1988
That was not supposed to happened but it did isn't it ?
Nobody is perfect and to blindly assume you are superior without actual engagement is baseless
I know you are patriotic but that is not valid base to analyze some one radar
According to the Iranian government, Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft: the airliner was making in Mode III (not Mode II used by Iranian military planes), a signal that identified it as a civilian craft. The event generated a great deal of criticism of the United States. Some analysts blamed the captain of Vincennes, who had entered Iran's waters, for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.
In 1996, the United States and Iran reached a settlement at the which included the statement "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident...". As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to but agreed to pay on an basis US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.
Iran Air continues to use flight number 655 on the Tehran to Dubai route as a memorial to the victims. This event ranks tenth among the ; the incident retains the record for highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf.
That was not supposed to happened but it did isn't it ?
Nobody is perfect and to blindly assume you are superior without actual engagement is baseless
I know you are patriotic but that is not valid base to analyze some one radar
According to the Iranian government, Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft: the airliner was making in Mode III (not Mode II used by Iranian military planes), a signal that identified it as a civilian craft. The event generated a great deal of criticism of the United States. Some analysts blamed the captain of Vincennes, who had entered Iran's waters, for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.
In 1996, the United States and Iran reached a settlement at the which included the statement "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident...". As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to but agreed to pay on an basis US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.
Iran Air continues to use flight number 655 on the Tehran to Dubai route as a memorial to the victims. This event ranks tenth among the ; the incident retains the record for highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf.
huh? what about Zumwalt? Should't she at least rank up there?!?!
I do not believe 055 is as potent or as advanced as the Zumwalt but of course that is just my personal opinion
People are more than welcome to disagree.
Zumwalt is a very advanced class of warship and arguably will be the most technologically advanced surface combatant in the world for many years... but it has very limited "potency" in terms of combat capability in my opinion, given the current weapons fit they have.
Its much touted Advanced Gun Systems lack the LRLAP munitions needed to fill their arsenals, the ship lacks the full set of VSR to make its air defence suite effective and at this stage there does not even be any indication for the ship to act as an emitting air defence warship. It's VLS is capable and has the potential to fire larger missiles than Mk-41 but there are only 80 of them, which is less than a Burke, and there are no weapons under development or in existence that can make better use of the Zumwalt's PVLS than Mk-41 VLS.
Of course one would say -- "but Blitzo, what about Zumwalt's electric drive? It means Zumwalt can be fit wiht lasers and railguns! That means it's a very deadly ship!" And I would say, well all the intent for lasers and rail guns for Zumwalt are nice, but until they're actually fitted onto the ship it means about nothing, until they're fit onto the ship as an operational weapon or preferably at least even with the USN having decided on an exact type of laser and rail gun as well which they have yet to do.
So yes, I think the Zumwalt class is easily the most technologically advanced surface combatant in the world and will remain so for a large number of years. But in terms of combat "potency" it most definitely is not world leading and if anything it is a bit laughable and disappointing.
I would be very surprised if a missile with those sort of parameters are not at least in advanced stages of development.
YOU are calling ME "patriotic"??? LOL I'm actually not very patriotic at all, if by that you mean 'Murica! or something ridiculous like that. I'm simply a very brutal realist, which is far better than being an ultranationalist IMO. But you on the other hand....
The Vincennes' shootdown of the Iranian airliner was human error plain and simple. Blaming it on Aegis just shows that you are grasping for straws here. You should actually read a FULL account of all the mistakes that were made that resulted in this tragedy before you try and place the blame on a combat data system which was not at fault.
For a comparison like this, there are some easy things to spot, like what 055's final sensor fit and weapons fit actually are (which have yet to be confirmed). Then there are the harder unknowns like the capability of the aforementioned sensors fit and capability of the combat management system, etc. Then other things like datalinking/sharing, command/control etc are all factors as well, and maybe things like helicopter complement. Then finally one needs to consider when it should be "measured" i.e.: just when the ship is "commissioned" even though it likely would not be at FOC, or if it should be measured when the ship is at FOC with subsystems likely at a state of relative maturity.
I definitely think it is flawed to suggest that 055 would be the most powerful surface combatant, and it definitely won't be the most powerful merely when it's commissioned, as its subsystems and weapons suite would definitely not be a state of FOC.
But I think it would be reasonable to suggest that an FOC-maturity level 055 can be considered to be one of the small handful of surface combatants in the world that can credibly lay claim to be the "most powerful surface combatant afloat".
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