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Hendrik_2000

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Apart from IEPS, there's nothing in the article that suggests anything that we should find a surprise.

But if the IEPS is now proven and ready, then it makes sense to use it on the Type-55 as it should be more efficient.

Plus it gives the Chinese Navy a head start on deploying a suitable platform for future lasers and railguns.

The IEPS should be ready by now They were certified way back in August 2013 I assume it was tested on ground facility . Since then we have various report that it has been tested on specially built large test ship. It will help a lot in reducing the noise since there is no more transmission gear. Instead a motor is used to drive the propeller. It will also free large area in the ship.And the turbine can be placed such as to maximize the layout. Space is premium in ship.Here is the article on IEPS
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Chinese shipbuilder reveals breakthrough technology


By Zhao Lei


BEIJING, Aug. 20 (Xinhuanet) -- One of China's major shipbuilders said it has developed cutting-edge propulsion technology that will bring the nation closer to its goal of modernizing its shipping and naval fleets.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corp said its Wuhan Institute of Marine Electric Propulsion finalized its integrated electric propulsion technology in mid-July. It said the in-house development will help the nation wean itself off the longstanding dependence on imported parts in manufacturing ships.

Most surface vessels in China use mechanical transmissions and are propelled by a motor or an engine spinning a propeller. Many Western countries have adopted integrated electric propulsion, in which gas turbines or diesel generators produce electricity that powers electric motors.

"Chinese ships usually use steam engines, multiple-stroke diesel engines or gas turbine engines," said Wang Dan, deputy editor-in-chief of Modern Ships magazine. "Chinese navy ships that need to reach fast speeds would have 'combined diesel or gas' propulsion systems."

The development of integrated electric propulsion may resolve engine problems that have long haunted the nation and its navy. One of the major issues has been a lack of domestic companies who can make gas turbine engines to support long distance voyages.

Without domestically developed gas turbine engines, the Chinese navy has been forced to import foreign engines for its ships, said a military expert who did not want to be named. And until an electric propulsion engine is more widely available in China, most ships must run on an engine fueled by diesel and gas.

"Compared with other drive methods, integrated electric propulsion has many advantages. It can save more space and is easier to control. It helps reduce a ship's weight and noise," Wang said. "It also enables ships to cruise at a faster speed and for a longer time."

The new technology is also easier to operate and maintain, he said.

"Now with the achievement made by our technicians, we are seeing an opportunity to narrow the gap with Western naval powers. The British navy's HMS Queen Elizabeth
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navy's Zumwalt-class destroyers, which are all under construction, will use the new electric propulsion technology, which means we must accelerate our development (of the technology) if we don't want to fall behind in building advanced ships."

The HMS Queen Elizabeth, which is scheduled to commence sea trials in 2017, will be the first carrier in the world to adopt integrated electric propulsion.

Wang said it is important for China to improve its vessels' propulsion systems and invest more to develop reliable gas turbine engines for battleships before integrated electric propulsion can be put into wide use.

China in recent years has made a great deal of effort to modernize its naval and shipping fleet and to design new propulsion engines.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corp said in February that one of its research institutions received State approval and funding to formally begin research on core technologies for nuclear-powered ships.

(Source: China Daily)
 

A.Man

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This article, regarding 055 destroyer, is written by POP3, a very reliable Chinese shipbuilding insider.
Sorry, my auto translator is not working. Someone, if you have time, please to translate this article.

中国海军后续驱逐舰发展展望

新中国海军驱逐舰的发展主要历经了从购买到自研的过程,而随着中国的科技水平的发展和综合国力的提高,中国海军驱逐舰的排水量及先进程度也有了较大的提升,排水量从3000吨级到4000吨级再到6000吨级直至现在正在建造的万吨级055型驱逐舰;在技术水平上,也从早期的机械化甚至半机械化发展到目前的高度信息化。
一、055型驱逐舰是中国发展的必然产物
随着中国经济的发展,中国对海上运输线的依赖程度越来越高,保护中国的海上运输线和海外利益的需求也更加迫切。中国海军今后所面临的任务,已不局限于在传统的中国邻海和中国海洋大陆架周边的作战,而是需要具有全球作战的能力,可以有能力在全球任何一个热点地区捍卫中国的国家政治、经济利益,保护海外侨民。而055型驱逐舰正是这一战略需求下的产物,是中国海军武器装备体系中不可或缺的主战装备。

二、052D型驱逐舰承上启下的作用

中国海军在研制建造了052C型驱逐舰之后,着手研制052D型驱逐舰和055型驱逐舰。052D型驱逐舰是中国海军“舰艇平台通用化、电子武器模块化”发展思想的产物,即舰艇的平台和作战系统的框架结构一步到位、武器电子系统实现模块化、便于持续升级的设计思路的体现。052D型驱逐舰沿用052C型驱逐舰的成熟平台,对电子武器系统进行升级,武器系统主要用PJ-38型单130毫米舰炮换装PJ-87型单100毫米舰炮、用通用垂直发射系统换装AJK-03型导弹垂直发射系统等;而在电子系统上的升级幅度则较大,如用346A型相控阵雷达换装346型相控阵雷达、换装JIDS联合数据系统和906高速宽带数据传输系统及综合数据链舰载型等等,电子系统技术水平提升较高。虽然052D型驱逐舰的设计过程较短,但其起到了承上启下的作用。

由于055型驱逐舰与052D型驱逐舰的研制时间起点大体一致,故此,这两型驱逐舰在部分电子武器上采用相同的型号也很正常,毕竟电子武器系统研制所需要的周期较长,通常较舰船的平台设计时间更长,而舰船的总体设计不是无中生有,必须在设备和分系统完成研制或技术状态基本固化后才能进行。这也是早期的054型护卫舰和052B型驱逐舰诞生的原因,皆因为部分电子武器系统的研制程序未完成,成熟度不够,导致新平台装老型号设备或直接购买国外设备。

三、055型驱逐舰的重生与技术进步

055型驱逐舰的研制沿用了早期的研制型号,即1976年3月国务院和中央军委以国发【1976】19号文件正式向国防工办、第六机械工业部等有关单位下达的055大型导弹驱逐舰的研制任务的型号,但除了型号沿用之外,其内涵已不可同日而语。055型导弹驱逐舰也习惯称之为大驱,2009年12月20日通过立项审查,已开工建造,2016年有望下水。055型驱逐舰是万吨级大型驱逐舰,代表了目前中国军事造船工业最高水平。055型驱逐舰服役后,不但与054A型护卫舰和052系列驱逐舰形成不同的作战需求配置,也极大增强了中国海军的远洋军事投送能力,并成为中国海军航母编队的中坚力量。

055型驱逐舰的研制是中国海军历史上的重大事件, 055型驱逐舰在顶层设计上采用了大量的新思路、新概念和新技术,这其中有些是革命性的,在设计思路上和体系结构上的通用化、标准化、轻量化、小型化等优化设计,其意义更为深远。在舰面武器上,055型装备了PJ-38单管舰炮武器系统、PJ-11近程反导武器系统和HQ-10武器系统、反潜武器系统和反鱼雷武器系统等,其通用垂直发射系统具有共架发射HHQ-9B远程舰空导弹和新型中程导弹、YJ-18A型舰舰导弹及鹰击-18对陆攻击巡航导弹的能力。而在信息化能力和电子作战能力上,055型驱逐舰则达到了中国海军作战舰艇的阶段性顶峰,不但采用了新技术、新设备和新系统,还进行了充分的优化设计,实现电源、冷媒、测试、模拟、射频的共享和部分通信、导航及电子战等天线终端集成化、共形化和平面阵化,这是中国海军舰船技术中革命性的进步。

而055型驱逐舰的造价相对于国外同类舰船来说,低到令人难以置信的程度,这也是中国军事造船的巨大优势,使其可持续性发展得到巨大支撑,这种特色也只有中国所具有。

四、中国海军后续驱逐舰的发展展望

按照中国海军装备“建造一代、研制一代、预研一代”的做法,后续新一代驱逐舰应该已经在酝酿中。舰艇是由数十个分系统和成千上万套设备组成,舰艇的先进程度直接取决于分系统和设备的先进程度,也就是说,先进的平台必须搭载先进的系统和设备才能最大程度发挥作战效能。比如说,054型护卫舰的平台设计在当时是中国海军护卫舰的一个较高水准,但因为受到HQ-16舰空导弹武器系统及382三坐标雷达和366超视距雷达等设备的研制进度影响,只能搭载HHQ-7舰空导弹系统和360雷达,其综合作战效能远不如054A护卫舰那样能得到质的提高,相对于053H3型护卫舰来说,054型护卫舰只是有限提升作战能力。

设备和系统的先进程度直接影响平台的先进程度,进而影响舰船的综合作战能力,而设备和系统的研制周期通常较长,必须经过严格的、复杂的科研程序后才能装舰,这是一种严谨的科学态度,也是用血换来的教训,而舰船的总体设计必须取得设备和分系统的装舰要素后才能开展设计。基于上述的常识和世界各国海军舰船发展的趋势及中国军事造船科技的发展,这里对中国海军驱逐舰发展的可能方向进行大胆的预测,用一句话概括就是:“采用综电系统具有高度隐身性和先进电子武器系统的驱逐舰”。当然,这里也不排除055型驱逐舰进行渐进式改进型号的可能性,如052B到052C再到052D这样的同平台多型发展的路子,毕竟技术进步是循序渐进的。

(一)、综合电力系统
舰船综合电力系统从舰船电力推进系统的基础上发展而来,采用电力推进系统的舰船,用一套原动机和发电机组来产生电能,既用于舰船的推进,也用于其它设备对电力的需求,这种系统就称为综合电力系统,其主要优点大致有:

1、布置灵活、节省优化空间、提高消耗品携带量。
采用电力推进系统的舰船在总体布局上具有很大的灵活性,发电机组的布置位置上可选择性多,节省空间,简化了动力系统的结构,提高燃料和弹药的携带量。而推进电机布置在舰船艉部,可大大缩短舰船的轴系。由于安装综合电力系统的舰船可不再需要庞大的推进动力舱,一些武器如导弹垂直发射装置的布置可以更为方便和优化。

2、自噪声低,提高隐身性。
电力推进系统具有良好的调速特性,无需配置传统的减速齿轮箱,原动机部分与轴系没有刚性连接,通过电缆与推进电机联接,这样可以大大降低舰船的自身噪声,提高舰船的隐蔽性。

3、经济性好,智能调节电力负荷,便于高能耗武器的使用。
采用综合电力系统的舰船可根据舰船的航速变化、排水量变化、舰船上电力负荷的变化而任意调整发电机组的运行数量,保持高效率的运行,减少燃料的消耗,故此具有较好的经济性。综合电力系统具有电力实时调节的功能,这对于装备如大功率探测装备、电磁弹射装置、电磁炮、激光武器等高能耗武器的舰船极其重要。综合电力系统可以在电力推进系统和高能设备之间进行快速切换,比如电磁炮在发射中需要大量电能时,可以对电力推进系统的电能和其他系统的电能进行短暂限制,将电力推进系统的或其它系统的电能快速全部或部分转换给电磁弹射系统,当电磁弹射系统工作循环完毕后又快速将电能转回。

4、减少动力型号、具有良好的勤务性。
综合电力系统采用模块化设计,可以形成标准化和系列化,针对不同种类的舰船,进行不同的模块搭配组合,这对于减少动力装置的型号具有很大的意义,并且在勤务保障方面也有着诸多的便利性。

由此可见,综合电力系统有着诸多的优点,这些优点已被各国所认识并推动其实用化进程,如美国海军于1986年提出了“海上革命”计划,发展舰船综合全电力推动系统;2002年美国海军又提出了“电力海上力量之路”计划,先在全电力推进的基础上,使用更先进的原动机和辅助机械实现广泛电气化的舰船,战斗舰艇上应用综合电力系统实现“电力舰”,然后在“电力舰”的基础上实现“电力战舰”,“电力战舰”是应用高能武器和先进探测设备的作战舰艇,而最终目标是“电力海上力量之路”。

055型驱逐舰在立项设计之初,中国海军的综合电力系统尚有待突破,故此,055型舰采用传统的动力和船电系统也是顺理成章的事情。近年来,中国海军在舰艇综合电力系统上取得了较大的进步和突破,这为下一代驱逐舰乃至于其它舰艇采用综合电力系统奠定了技术基础。

(二)、舰载武器系统
这些年来,中国海军在舰载武器上所取得的进步有目共睹,具有炮射导弹能力的PJ-38型单130舰炮、“万发系统”的PJ-11型近防炮、HQ-10防空导弹、红旗-16B型和海红旗-9B型舰空导弹、系列化的YJ-18反舰及对陆攻击导弹的研制成功,极大提高了中国海军的攻防作战能力。

在新一代驱逐舰上,新研制的武器系统必将成为主要配置,如中国海军正在研制的舰载电磁炮武器系统进展良好,应会成为配置;而目前正在研制的新一代舰载导弹武器系统也是为下一代驱逐舰所做的准备,在此基础上,反弹道导弹武器系统也极有可能成为新一代驱逐舰的配置。

(三)、隐身技术。
舰船隐身技术很多人往往笼统理解为雷达隐身技术,即降低雷达散射截面 (RCS)的技术,这种观点是片面的,雷达隐身只是舰船诸多隐身技术中的一个方面,舰船隐身技术还包含有、材料隐身、声隐身、磁隐身、红外隐身、电场隐身、尾迹隐身、光隐身等等。美国海军朱姆沃尔特级驱逐舰虽然外形怪异,但原理并不奇特,就是利用舰船外板大倾角设计,使得雷达探测时的反射角偏离入射角,这只是外形隐身,在其它隐身性能上,相信朱姆沃尔特级驱逐舰均采取了一些措施,但这极难从外观上予以判别。

加强隐身设计在中国海军本世纪开始设计建造的舰型上得到很高的重视,如054A型护卫舰、22型导弹快艇和052后续驱逐舰上均有隐身设计。随着中国对舰船隐身技术的研究和深化,中国海军新一代驱逐舰在隐身设计上肯定会有突破,但目前在具体设计尚未开始时,也仅能进行猜测和期待。

(四)、电子技术。
中国海军舰船在电子技术上的发展,用突飞猛进来形容毫不为过,与世界各国海军舰艇相比也毫不逊色,比如,在本世纪初期,通信跳频技术在中国海军舰船上几乎没有,而现在则成为最基本的技术之一;再比如,数据链技术,在本世纪初期905数据链算是很高端的设备,而现在905数据链已淘汰多年,取而代之的是多种型号系列化、通用化的数据链设备。

中国海军从053型护卫舰后期部分型号上已经采用“集中指挥、综合组织、三级管理”的作战指挥模式,在经过多年的发展后,国际上先进舰艇采用的双冗余交互式以太网结合点对点分布式和开放式的作战系统架构形式也早已普及,这种结构具有诸多的优点,如信息共享程度高、信息传输速率快、对系统和设备兼容性好等等。在055型驱逐舰上,对作战系统流程又进行了最佳设计;对设备、系统进行大幅度的精简、集成、共享等优化设计。

随着新技术和新设备不断被研制出来,中国海军新一代驱逐舰的电子技术水平必将得到极大的提高。其实有个迹象也可看出端倪并可对比,就是中国民用电子技术的快速发展,从某种意义上说,两者有一定的关联度,虽然这样的对比并不完全恰当,军用电子产品在研制上更能集中人、财、物,且不考虑商业利益而只考虑作战需求。新一代驱逐舰在电子系统上依托中国强大的电子工业基础和自主的通信卫星、侦查卫星体系、北斗定位系统和预警系统,集成了中国船舶、航天、电子、航空等领域的高新技术,体现中国科技综合实力,想不取得突破都难。
 

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This article, regarding 055 destroyer, is written by POP3, a very reliable Chinese shipbuilding insider.
Sorry, my auto translator is not working. Someone, if you have time, please to translate this article.
I am trying translate it to English using Google Translate.

Part I

Chinese Navy Destroyer subsequent Prospect

Development of new Chinese navy destroyer mainly through the process from purchase to self-development, and with the development of China's scientific and technological level and overall national strength, displacement and sophistication of Chinese navy destroyer has also been greatly improved, displacement from 3000 ton to 4,000-ton-ton until 6000 and then now being built 055-ton destroyer; at the technical level, but also from the early mechanization or semi-mechanization to the current highly information-oriented.

First, 055 destroyers are the inevitable outcome of the development of China.

With China's economic development, China's dependence on the sea lanes of higher and higher, to protect Chinese shipping lines and maritime interests overseas demand more urgent. Chinese navy task facing the future, no longer limited to the traditional Chinese combat China Sea and adjacent continental shelf surrounding ocean, but need to have the ability to combat global, may have the ability to safeguard China's national politics in any global hot spots, economic interests, protect the diaspora. The 055 destroyer is the product of this strategic needs under the Chinese naval weapons systems integral to the main equipment.

Two, 052D Destroyer role of nexus

After the development of the Chinese navy destroyer built 052C, 052D destroyer and begin developing 055 destroyers. 052D is a Chinese naval destroyer "vessels universal platform, modular electronic weapons" development product of thought, that is one step framework ship platforms and combat systems, electronic weapon system to achieve modular, easy to continue the upgrade reflects the design ideas . 052D destroyer mature platform in use Type 052C destroyers, electronic weapon systems upgrade weapon system is mainly used PJ-38 single 130 mm gun facelift PJ-87 single 100mm gun, using a common vertical launch system Dressup AJK-03 missile vertical launching system; and upgrade the range of the electronic system is large, as with 346A phased array radar Dressup 346 phased array radar, installed JIDS joint data systems and 906 high-speed broadband data integrated data transmission system and carrier-based chain, etc., electronic systems technology level high. Although 052D destroyer design process shorter, but it played a role in connecting link.

Since the development time of starting 055 and 052D destroyer destroyer broadly consistent, therefore, the two destroyers on the part of the electronic weapon using the same model is also normal, after a long period of electronic weapon system development needs, usually more ships platform design longer, and the overall design of the ship is not out of nothing, must be carried out after the completion of the development of equipment and subsystems or substantially cured state of the art. This is also an early 054-type frigates and destroyers 052B birth of reasons, both as part of the electronic weapon system development program is not complete, mature enough, lead to a new platform mounted equipment old models or direct purchase of foreign equipment.

Third, 055 destroyers rebirth and Technological Progress

Development of 055 destroyer follows the earlier development model, that in March 1976 the State Council and the Central Military Commission to the country Fa [1976] Document No. 19 formally to the National Defense Industry Office, Ministry of Machinery Industry Sixth relevant units issued 055 large missile destroyer the research task model, but in addition to the model in use, its meaning has been quite different. Type 055 destroyer is also used to call the big flooding, December 20, 2009 through the project review, has started construction, is expected to launch in 2016. 055-ton frigate destroyer is representative of the current Chinese military shipbuilding industry the highest level. After 055 destroyers in service, not only with the 052 series Type 054A frigates and destroyers operational requirements form different configurations, but also greatly enhanced the Chinese navy's ocean-going delivery of military capability, and become the backbone of the Chinese Navy carrier battle group.

Development of 055 destroyer is a major event in the history of the Chinese navy, destroyer in the top 055 is designed with a lot of new ideas, new concepts and new technologies, some of which is revolutionary in design and ideas on architecture the universal, standardized, lightweight, miniaturization optimized design, its more far-reaching. On the surface ship weapons, 055 PJ-38 is equipped with a single tube gun weapon system, PJ-11 CIWS and HQ-10 weapon systems, weapon systems and anti-submarine torpedo weapon systems, its common vertical launch the system has a total emission HHQ-9B aircraft remote air missiles and a new medium-range missiles, YJ-18A-type ship missiles and Eagle 18 on land-attack cruise missile capability. And in the ability of information technology and electronic warfare capability, 055 destroyers reached the pinnacle of Chinese naval warships stage, not only the adoption of new technology, new equipment and new systems also been fully optimized design, implement power, refrigerant , testing, simulation, radio frequency sharing and part of the communication, navigation and electronic warfare antenna terminal integration, conformal and planar array technology, which is the Chinese naval vessels revolutionary advances in technology.

055 destroyer and cost relative to similar foreign ship, the incredibly low level, which is the great advantage of China's military shipbuilding to sustainable development has been tremendous support, this feature is also the only Chinese have.

Fourth, the development prospect of Chinese naval destroyer follow

According to Chinese naval equipment "build generation, development of generation, generation of pre-research" approach, the subsequent generation of destroyers should have been in the pipeline. By dozens of warships and hundreds of thousands of sets of equipment consisting of subsystems, the ship's advanced level depends directly on the degree of advanced subsystems and equipment, that is, advanced platform must be equipped with advanced systems and equipment in order to maximize operational effectiveness. For example, 054-type frigate platform design at the time was a high level of Chinese naval frigate, but because by the progress of the development impact of HQ-16 missile weapon systems and radar coordinate 382 and 366 OTH radar and other equipment, HHQ-7 can carry only ship to air missile systems and radar 360, which is far less comprehensive combat effectiveness 054A frigate that can be substantially improved with respect to the 053H3 frigate, the 054-type frigate is limited to enhance combat capability.

Advanced level equipment and systems directly affects the sophistication of the platform, thereby affecting the comprehensive combat capability of the ship, and the development cycle of the equipment and systems are usually longer, must undergo a rigorous, complex research programs can be loaded ship, which is a kinds of rigorous scientific attitude, but also a lesson paid for with blood, in order to carry out the design and the overall design of the ship after ship installation elements must obtain equipment and subsystems. Based on the above trend of common sense and the world of naval vessels and development of China's military development of shipbuilding technology, where possible direction of development of the Chinese navy destroyer bold prediction, one sentence is: "the use of electric system is highly mechanized stealth weapons systems and advanced electronic destroyer. " Of course, this does not rule out the possibility of 055 destroyer model of incremental improvements, such as 052B to 052C and then 052D road with this type of multi-platform development, after all, technological progress is gradual.
 

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Part II

(A), integrated power system

Ship Integrated Power System propulsion system based on evolved from ship power, using electric propulsion system of the ship, with a prime mover and generator sets to produce electricity, both for ship propulsion, but also for other equipment demand for electricity, such a system is called the integrated power system, its main advantages are basically:

1, layout flexibility, space saving optimization, improve carrying capacity consumables.
Using electric propulsion system of the ship has a great deal of flexibility in the overall layout, optional multi-position generators arranged on save space and simplify the structure of the power system, improve fuel and ammunition carrying capacity. The propulsion motor disposed in the stern of the ship, can greatly shorten the ship shafting. Since the installation of an integrated ship power system may no longer need a large propulsion module, a number of weapons such as missile vertical launcher arrangement can be more convenient and optimized.

2, low self-noise, improve stealth.
Electric propulsion system has good speed characteristics, eliminating the need for conventional reduction gear box, not the prime mover shaft portion rigidly connected via a cable connection propulsion motor, which can greatly reduce the ship's own noise, improve ship hidden sex.

3, the economy is good, smart regulation power load, easy to use high-energy weapons.
Integrated ship power system according to the ship's speed changes, changes in displacement, power load changes on the ship and any adjustment of the number of operating generating units, to maintain high efficiency operation, reducing fuel consumption, therefore having a good economy. Integrated power systems with real-time power adjustment function, which is extremely important for high-power equipment such as detection equipment, electromagnetic catapult device, guns, high-energy laser weapons, weapons ship. When the integrated power system can quickly switch between electric propulsion systems and energy equipment, such as guns require a lot of power in transmission, it can power electric propulsion system and other systems of energy in the short limits of the electric propulsion system or fast power all other systems or partial conversion to the electromagnetic catapult system, when the electromagnetic catapult system work cycle is completed and then quickly back to power.

4, to reduce power model, with good service properties.
Integrated power system uses a modular design, standardization and serialization can be formed, for different types of ships, different combinations of modules, which has great significance for reducing power plant model, and also has many service support convenience.

Thus, the integrated power system has many advantages, these advantages have been recognized and to promote the practical use of the process, such as the US Navy proposed a "maritime revolution" program in 1986, the development of Ship Full electric propulsion system States; 2002 US Navy also proposed a "road electricity sea power of the" program, the first full-electric propulsion based on the use of more advanced prime mover and auxiliary machinery to achieve a wide range of ship electrification, integrated power system application on combatant achieve "power ship "and then" "to achieve on the basis of" power Electric warship ship "," electricity battleship "is the application of high-energy weapons warships and advanced detection equipment, and the ultimate goal is to" Road "electricity maritime strength.

055 destroyer in the beginning of the design project, the Chinese navy's integrated power system has yet to be a breakthrough, therefore, 055 ships and boats using traditional electric power system is the logical thing. In recent years, Chinese naval vessels in the integrated power system has made great progress and breakthroughs, which is the next generation of destroyers and even other integrated ship power system laid the technical foundation.

(B), shipboard weapons systems

Over the years, the progress of China Navy shipboard weapons made obvious to all, with artillery missile capability PJ-38 130 single gun, "million rounds system" PJ-11 type near Artillery, HQ-10 anti-aircraft missiles red Flag and red sea -16B type -9B type of ship to air missile, the series YJ-18 anti-ship and land attack missile successfully developed, greatly improving the Chinese navy's offensive and defensive combat capability.

On the next-generation destroyer, the development of new weapons systems will become the main configuration, such as good Chinese navy is developing a carrier-based guns weapons systems progress, should be the configuration; and is currently developing a new generation of ship-borne missile weapon system is in preparation for the next-generation destroyer made, based on the anti-ballistic missile weapon system is also likely to become a new generation destroyer configuration.

(Iii), stealth technology.

Many people tend to ship stealth technology generally understood as stealth technology, which reduce the radar cross section (RCS) technology, this view is one-sided, but the stealth warship stealth technology in a lot of aspects, but also ship stealth technology It contains material stealth, stealth acoustic, magnetic stealth, infrared stealth, stealth field, wake stealth, stealth light and so on. US Navy Zumwalt-class destroyer, although the odd shape, but the principle is not strange, is the use of outside board ship large angle design makes the radar reflection angle deviation when the angle of incidence, it is only shape stealth, stealth performance on the other, I believe Zumwalt-class destroyer have taken a number of measures, but it is extremely difficult to be determined from the appearance.

Strengthening stealth design to give high importance to the Chinese navy in the beginning of this century, designed and built the ship type, such as the Type 054A frigates, missile boats and 052 Type 22 destroyers are subsequent stealth design. With China's ship stealth technology research and deepening of the new generation of Chinese naval destroyer in the stealth design will certainly be a breakthrough, but in the specific design has not yet begun, it can only be speculation and expectations.

(Iv) electronic technology.

Chinese naval vessels in the electronic technology development, with rapid to describe is not too much, compared with the world naval vessels favorably, for example, at the beginning of this century, hopping communication technology in the Chinese naval ship almost no, and now it has become one of the most basic skills; another example, data link technology, in the early part of this century, 905 data link is considered a very high-end equipment, and now 905 years of data chain has been eliminated, replaced by a variety of models series , universal data link equipment.

Chinese navy frigate from the late part of the model 053 has a "centralized command, integrated organization, three management" operational command mode, after years of development, the international advanced interactive dual redundant Ethernet vessels using binding point distributed and open architecture combat systems have long been popular form, this structure has many advantages, such as high level of information sharing, information transmission speed, system and device compatibility and so on. On the 055 destroyers for combat systems and processes were the best design; the equipment, the system greatly streamlined, integrated, sharing optimization.

With the new technology and equipment continue to be developed, a new generation of electronic technology Chinese Navy destroyer will be greatly improved. In fact, there are signs can also be discerned and contrast, is the rapid development of China's consumer electronics technology, in a sense, the two have a certain degree of relevance, although this comparison is not entirely appropriate, military electronic products more focused on human, financial, and material on development, and does not consider the commercial interests only consider operational requirements. Relying on a new generation of destroyers China's strong industrial base and independent electronic communications satellites in electronic systems, reconnaissance satellites system, Beidou positioning systems and early warning systems, integrated high-tech Chinese shipbuilding, aerospace, electronics, aviation and other fields, reflecting the China Science and Technology comprehensive strength, does not want to make a breakthrough immune.
 

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on the topic of IEPS, I was under the impression they were already testing it out on some cutters. Although the design requirements for military ships like Type 055 or 054B are higher, but there is certainly a good chance that they will be using it.
 

Qi_1528

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Google translate will only succeed at giving you a basic idea of what the article is trying to say. If my knowledge of written Chinese was better, I'd have a crack at it myself. Give me a few more years.:p
 

taxiya

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It is "China Coast Guard 3383", former "China Marintime Surveillance 83" that was openly confirmed to be equipped with IEPS.
It was commissioned in 2005. Displacement is 3980t. No rudders, thrusters act as rudders.
There is another one commissioned in 2011, Coast Guard 2350.

So, more than 10 years of practical experience should be enough to try it on a bigger ship, besides we don't know if there is another other bigger ship that has already tried it.
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latenlazy

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Not good enough. A coast guard ship doesn't have the electrical power requirements and requisite complex electrical systems a warship will have.
 

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Not good enough. A coast guard ship doesn't have the electrical power requirements and requisite complex electrical systems a warship will have.


I don't think he's saying 055 will use the same system as that cutter, but rather that the particular cutter in question did use IEPS and that other ships may also have used it since that cutter was built, and altogether that collective experience and additional R&D could serve as a solid basis for developing IEPS for a warship.
 

plawolf

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Not good enough. A coast guard ship doesn't have the electrical power requirements and requisite complex electrical systems a warship will have.

The whole 'haven't done it before so cannot do it now' line is a classic logical fallacy based on circular reasoning. There would simply be no progress if that fallacy was true. Every time there is innovation, where someone does something they personally have never done before, and/or no one else has done before, it proves how wrong such 'reasoning' is.

Your argument would be sound if anyone suggested they lift the IEPS directly from the coast guard ships and dump it in a warship. But no one has, nor would they ever suggest that.

Anyone smart enough to be working on the Chinese IEPS project would know far better than any of us the massive difference in performance and energy requirements between coast guard ships and warships, and would have factored that into their calculations and designs when applying IEPS to naval warships.

The fact that IEPS has actually been operationally deployed for more than a decade is extremely significant. These are not just lab tests, they put it in a real operational ship, and had over a decade of real operational experience to draw on to evaluate the performance, and make any necessary refinements.

Given the fact that there are other coast guard ships that have had IEPS installed in between, its a good sign that the trials were successful, and points to an almost certainty that Chinese naval IEPS has undergone at least one generational leap, probably several.

One does not go putting something in multiple ships if that something didn't work as expected.

If one looks at the Chinese naval shipbuilding industry, and the PLAN in recent years, we can see that there is a general sense of confidence. Gone are the old 'build a couple to test out before committing' mentality. All major new Chinese surface warship designs in recent years have seen massive orders from the get go.

In the background, there is also a sense of great pressure with the near collapse of the global civilian shipping market.

PLAN naval contracts are now increasingly important to the major Chinese shipyards. While the PLAN does have a policy to actively spreading the work around so everyone gets a piece of the pie and no one goes out of business to prevent monopolies from forming, there is no doubt that the best yards gets far more orders and resources compared to poorly performing yards.

Yes, everyone gets a share of the spoils, but the share is far from equal.

That means it is more and more important for China's various major shipyards to win these naval contracts and become the primary builder.

If one yard was offering IEPS from the get go for the 055, and another was offering conventional to start with, and then transitioning to IEPS after X number of years and Y ships built, which pitch do you think the PLAN would be more interested in?

The PLAN may green light both, but unless the IEPS design ends as a calamitous failure, the conventional 055s would in all likelihood end up like the poor unloved 051Cs, and the yard that backed the design would be forced to invest significant time and money to retool and retrain to make IEPS versions of the ships, several years later, and as much, would get a fraction of the share of orders the yard that proposed IEPS from the start would get. That's massive motivating factor for all the yards to really bring their A game to the table.

Evolution happens most rapidly during times of high environmental stresses and/or increased competition. Right now, the Chinese shipbuilding industry is experiencing both, and as such, I am optimistic about the odds of them exceeding general expectations.
 
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