055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[by78]

I would take anything 'Admiral' Zhang says with a rock of salt. The man is frequently the butt of jokes in various Chinese online communities for being a crackpot who is hopelessly out of his depth. In fact, many memes poking fun of his cluelessness are frequently some of the most popular threads on various forums.

He's certainly an entertaining TV personality with most likely an 'honorary' rank of rear admiral. I doubt he has any access to classified information.

 

[kroko]

how can a ship with aprox. 175 meters length and 20 meters wide have only 8000t displacement?

 

[jkliz]

Some other comments by Zhang:
"In contrast, he also sometimes expresses a low opinion of U.S. military capabilities, with his 2012 assertion that the U.S. would "run like a rabbit" if China went to war with Japan over the

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being an example.He also suggested that the PLAN might equip civilian fishing boats for suicide attacks against the United States Navy."
Please tell me this man is being kept away from anything important

 

[Jeff Head]

He first started with USN's Spruance Class destoryer, which was the most successful design in history. Itself along with its related Ticonderoga and Arleigh Burke totalled to 100+ hulls produced. .

Well, the Ticonderoga was based on the Spruance hull.

But the Burke's are a completely new build and different hull.

There were 31 Spruance class destroyers built and 27 Ticonderoga cruisers. A total of 58 vessels.

There have already been 63 Burke class destroyers built and 13 more are already awarded. That will make 76. Another 20 are expected...for a 96 total. The Burke class is definitely the most successful modern destroyer by far.

 

[Verum]

Well, the Ticonderoga was based on the Spruance hull.

But the Burke's are a completely new build and different hull.

There were 31 Spruance class destroyers built and 27 Ticonderoga cruisers. A total of 58 vessels.

There have already been 63 Burke class destroyers built and 13 more are already awarded. That will make 76. Another 20 are expected...for a 96 total. The Burke class is definitely the most successful modern destroyer by far.

I agree with admiral zzz, although Burke is not identical, it's pretty much a highly familiar continuation of the Spruance.

 

[Janiz]

There have already been 63 Burke class destroyers built and 13 more are already awarded. That will make 76. Another 20 are expected...for a 96 total. The Burke class is definitely the most successful modern destroyer by far.

Jeff, there aren't too many other navies which had used the same hull or slightly modified one in modern world. And it's only privilege of the big navies with constant replacement programs. Other than US Navy the only other example of continuing with the hull which satisfies the navy for years would be the Japanese Murasame class -> Takanami class -> Akizuki class -> the new 25DD which all are basicly the same hull. That's 25+ years of making the same thing.

Any other examples? Maybe PRC Navy will come into the club soon with something that they like. But they only started growing so it will take time.

 

[snake65]

Jeff, there aren't too many other navies which had used the same hull or slightly modified one in modern world. And it's only privilege of the big navies with constant replacement programs. Other than US Navy the only other example of continuing with the hull which satisfies the navy for years would be the Japanese Murasame class -> Takanami class -> Akizuki class -> the new 25DD which all are basicly the same hull.

Russians have done the same with their 1135, 11351, 11356 and actually 22350 is also a modification of the same hull as well.

 

[Pmichael]

Well, the Burke-class was well-designed and had a lot of room for improvements - even if the lastest Flight III ones are maybe already at the limit of the design.

I don't think it's really that important if the Type055 will end as >10,000t ship like the mock-up is indicating it or maybe something in the weight class of the Burke. More important is to improve the seaworthiness of the destroyer fleet. The amount of pictures of Type052 destroyers with wet decks in not really critical conditions is subpar at best for a future blue water navy.

 

[Jeff Head]

I agree with admiral zzz, although Burke is not identical, it's pretty much a highly familiar continuation of the Spruance.

It is not only not identical, it is completely and totally different.

The Admiral is simply wrong on this.

The Burke class hull from was not based on the Spruance at all and is a completely new design that was new to the US Navy at the time.

The Spruance class was 563 feet long with a 55 foot beam. The Arleigh Burke is 509 feet long with a 66 foot beam. 54 feet shorter and 11 feet wider, and 1,500 (or more) tons heavier.

As I say, it is a completely different hull form. It has a completely different super structure design with significant angling for stealth and the AEGIS PARs and that distinctive racked mast. The helo facilities are radically different (ie they do not exist on the Burke Flight I & IIs, and they are located to the aft on the Flight IIAs). It has a completely different armament load out.

So you may agree with the admiral...but no amount of agreement will change the fact that the Arleigh Burke is a completely different ship design, is not at all based on the Spruance or the Ticonderoga's, and is in no way a continuation of those vessels in the least other than that the Spruance was a destroyer and the Burkes are destroyers. Heck, they didn't even have the same designation. The Spruance was a "DD" and the Burkes are "DDGs"..

The Burke class itself, with currently 63 ships in the water and with 13 more awarded and another 20 planned after that is by far the most successful destroyer design in modern times. Up to that time, the Spruance/Ticonderoga was...but no more. And they are not similar, or based on one another.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Some other comments by Zhang:
"In contrast, he also sometimes expresses a low opinion of U.S. military capabilities, with his 2012 assertion that the U.S. would "run like a rabbit" if China went to war with Japan over the

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being an example.He also suggested that the PLAN might equip civilian fishing boats for suicide attacks against the United States Navy."
Please tell me this man is being kept away from anything important

Zhang zhaozhong is pretty much a joke on Chinese military BBS. These days, he is first and foremost an entertainer.