055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Blackstone]

The Burkes were built with the idea that they would be ugraded over time. And they have been.

Existing vessels receive the latest upgrades to sensors, weapons upgrades, etc as they go through their yard time. While there, they are refitted as needed.

In addition, the design itself has been updated to account for new technologies and capabilities.



They are a very good design. The Flight I Burkes are still considered very modern, very lethal and very capable ships.

Comparing all of the Burkes to the Type 055? Well, in terms specifications, you have to following:



The Type 055 will be larger, and marginally stronger armed than the Burkes in terms of VLS missiles and CIWS.

However, the Burkes are in MUCH greater numbers, carry two ASW helos and are probably the stronger ASW pplatform, in addition to their BMD capability. The newer Burke's 62 caliber main gun has greater range, but a slower figher rate.

Finally, it is likely that later Burkes will be fitted with the naval Rail-Gun that is currently being developed, the first of which will be installed on a US Navy vessel for complete testing in 2015. That will be game changer technology.

Hope all of that helps.

Nice comparison Jeff, thanks. But, do Burk IIIs have sufficient power to fire rail guns?

 

[Lethe]

I thought some of the CG vessels being commissioned are using IEP? So wouldn't that already be validation in progress? While usually not as detrimental to a CG vessel vs a naval vessel if IEP fails, I think a CG vessel's readiness rate still requires a very robust and proven IEP design so anything learned here will transfer over to the naval side.

I was not aware of this and it is a good point, thanks. Perhaps they will indeed be able to use IEP on 055 without waiting for 054B to validate the technology/process/experience first.

We'll probably see a few (probably more than two) 055s without IEP first, and then progress to an IEP equipped 055.

The issue I have with this suggestion is that, going by the Wikipedia article on IEP (I am no engineer!) one of the advantages is that it offers greater flexibility in terms of internal layout. But if 055 lacks IEP from the start, i.e. is initially designed around the traditional mechanical connection/arrangement, then a subsequent transition to IEP would not be able to take full advantage of this.

 

[Blitzo]

They could use the same hull but change the propulsion. Whether moving from COGAG to IEPS will necessitate much change in the internal arrangement of the ship: who knows.

 

[pla101prc]

Well, I do not believe I ever represented it as anything professional. Since I am not a professional design artist, or renderer, or anything like that...it would, by definition, be the work of an ametuer.

Thanks. It was meant to be a simple representation of what the Type 055 might look like based on the full-scale mockup the PLAN has built. I am very proficient with CAD and 3-D modeling, but did not want to take the time (or have the time) to develop a full blown model. There are plenty of other people doing a very good job of that as we have seen.

Time will tell. I expect there will be differences, but since it is based on their own mockup, and on the equipment and arrangement we see on the Type 052D, I expect it will not be terribly off.

lol dont worry, your PS skills far trumps mine

 

[shen]

Nice comparison Jeff, thanks. But, do Burk IIIs have sufficient power to fire rail guns?

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There are doubts Burke III will even have enough power for the new radar.

 

[longmarch]

Two commissioning per year for 30 years, 60 of Burke level ships would be a good number for China.

The Burkes were built with the idea that they would be ugraded over time. And they have been.

Existing vessels receive the latest upgrades to sensors, weapons upgrades, etc as they go through their yard time. While there, they are refitted as needed.

In addition, the design itself has been updated to account for new technologies and capabilities.



They are a very good design. The Flight I Burkes are still considered very modern, very lethal and very capable ships.

Comparing all of the Burkes to the Type 055? Well, in terms specifications, you have to following:



The Type 055 will be larger, and marginally stronger armed than the Burkes in terms of VLS missiles and CIWS.

However, the Burkes are in MUCH greater numbers, carry two ASW helos and are probably the stronger ASW pplatform, in addition to their BMD capability. The newer Burke's 62 caliber main gun has greater range, but a slower figher rate.

Finally, it is likely that later Burkes will be fitted with the naval Rail-Gun that is currently being developed, the first of which will be installed on a US Navy vessel for complete testing in 2015. That will be game changer technology.

Hope all of that helps.

 

[rhino123]

Two commissioning per year for 30 years, 60 of Burke level ships would be a good number for China.

Not really expert here... but for 30 years? Wouldn't alot of the technology be outdated by then? Plus I would imagine, even if there is commissioning of these ships each year for 30 years, China will still not have 60 in numbers because many of the earlier commissioned ships will be retired depending on the ship life and relevance.

 

[Blitzo]

Two commissioning per year for 30 years, 60 of Burke level ships would be a good number for China.

I prefer 40 052D and 055 type ships and 40 054A and next generation frigate sized ships.

4000-5000 ton ships can have many of the same capabilities of aegis style vessels, and provide greater flexibility in lower intensity environments while able to support larger destroyer and cruiser weight ships in high intensity situations.

 

[no_name]

Build 20, major improved variant, build another 20, then the next class should be ready. Repeat.

 

[tphuang]

What is up with all these crazy numbers? If they build 4 per fleet, that would be a huge number already.