054B/new generation frigate

sequ

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Extremely disappointed. Atleast put YJ-12 there instead of subsonic YJ-83. Even pakistani 054A have better armament at this point.
Overall its been disappointing watching 054B so far. Its a mediocre upgrade over the 054A.
Sounds like PLAN leadership need a PLARF style clean-up for still building ships with 40 year old Soviet radar tech and no-quadpacking SAM while operating in an increasingly congested aerial domain.

Imagine the PLAAF still building OG J-10 armed with PL-11 as their only BVR weapon.
 

tamsen_ikard

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The AShM choice makes sense given everything else we have seen so far on armament and propulsion for the type. Its a cautious evolution of Type 054A, rather than some sort of revolution. It also fits the wider PLAN philosophy in this regard IMO.
So far the only upgrade over the 054A has been the addition of the HQ-10 canister. Everything else is the same in terms of armament. And yet the displacement of the ship is 50% bigger. I find this mind boggling to be honest.

Miniaturization of chips and other eletronics should mean its Radar and other sensors should not be too much bigger than the 054A. Then otherthan having more fuel and food, I don't know how they have used all that extra space and displacement.
 

tamsen_ikard

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I see some members here want to turn PLAN frigates into Pakistan Navy frigates or Russian Navy frigates. They forgot that PLAN navy ships worked in 5D matrix joined operation with other PLAN/PLAAF assets rather than fighting as lone wolf.

5D Matrix - Surface, Underwater, Air, Space and Cyber Space.

China does have the budget now to produce much higher end ships than what they could in 2005 when 054A was first launched. Its a matter of opportunity cost as well. If I assume 054B to have similar sailor count. That means those sailors could be much more efficient and capable if they are provided with a ship with better armament. So, 100 054A vs 100 frigate with higher end armament such as better ASHM missile or better Air Defense missile.

Overall, They raised my expectation by having such a nice ship with so much bigger displacement. They also put a nice sensor suit as well. But then the weapons turned out to be exactly the same. So, that dampened the excitement quite a bit about this ship.

Now my only hope is that type 054B is like OG type 054, a test bed for a new hull. OG type 054 had only 2 ships in production. It also had a worse armament. Then 054A quickly came along with a much better armament package but kept the same hull and propulsion.
 
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sequ

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I see some members here want to turn PLAN frigates into Pakistan Navy frigates or Russian Navy frigates. They forgot that PLAN navy ships worked in 5D matrix joined operation with other PLAN/PLAAF assets rather than fighting as lone wolf.

5D Matrix - Surface, Underwater, Air, Space and Cyber Space.
Sounds all nice but in reality the type 054A are being launched with their primary sensor stemming from the Soviet era and no upgrade in sight. Meanwhile GaN based AESA modules are freely available to buy on Alibaba.

A chain is as strong as its weakest link..
 

lcloo

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China does have the budget now to produce much higher end ships than what they could in 2005 when 054A was first launched. Its a matter of opportunity cost as well. If I assume 054B to have similar sailor count. That means those sailors could be much more efficient and capable if they are provided with a ship with better armament. So, 100 054A vs 100 frigate with higher end armament such as better ASHM missile or better Air Defense missile.

Overall, They raised my expectation by having such a nice ship with so much bigger displacement. They also put a nice sensor suit as well. But then the weapons turned out to be exactly the same. So, that dampened the excitement quite a bit about this ship.

Now my only hope is that type 054B is like OG type 054, a test bed for a new hull. OG type 054 had only 2 ships in production. It also had a worse armament. Then 054A quickly came along with a much better armament package but kept the same hull and propulsion.
Type 054B certainly has improved weapons compared with type 054A, and improved electronic gear that detect, track and weapon guidance, and also improved electronic warfare gear.

The enlarged displacement of type 054B compare to type 054A is mainly for endurance and range, to stay with the fleet which it is providing escort. I guessed that the decision to enlarge the displacement could probably a lesson learned during long distance fleet deployment in which short coming of type 054A on areas like crew comfort, shorter durations due to small storage for fuel, water, food, smaller helicopter deck and others.

In fleet deployment each of the ship types (type 055, 052d and 054A) have assigned area for layer defense. Type 055 may have defense up to 500km, type 052D has defense area may be up to 100-300 km, and type 054A (to be replaced by type 054B in roles) from 10km to 100 km. This is how a layer fleet defense work.

You don't need to armed type 054B to the teeth because there is no such need in PLAN doctrine. Big missile works are give to type 055 and 052D. Type 054B is to ensure any enemy missiles that penetrate defenses of type 055 and type 052D will be taken care of.

@sequ, I am sure PLAN is no stupid sleeping old man with lesser IQ than 99% of us here. Type 054B certainly is not equiped with 40 year old Soviet sensors. What you cannot see inside the ship's commande center matters. China's electronic tech can be on par with USA. It is the biggest joke to compare with the old Soviet gear. Their Mars landing mission and Dark side of the Moon landing mission proved that. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't have them inside type 054B.
 
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