054B/new generation frigate

FriedRiceNSpice

FriedRiceNSpice

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ChongqingHotPot92 said:
How much of a difference does it make for the 054B to have 8 fewer anti-ship missiles compared to the Constellation? I know that you have mentioned that YJ-12 is bigger, faster, and has a longer range than the NSM/Harpoon, but it is not that difficult for the USN and its allies to intercept the YJ-12 with ESSMs. In other words, when launched in salvos in a Mexican standoff with the Constellations, the 054As have theoretically less anti-surface munitions. What do you think?
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How many YJ-12s 054B carries is completely irrelevant in any scenario where PLAN is facing USN. Even if all 054B carried were YJ-83s, it's utility in a confrontation with USN would be undiminished. Likewise, hoe many NSM/Harpoon is carried by Constellation is equally irrelevant in a confrontation against the PLAN.
 
Dante80

Dante80

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Personally, I have the impression the hull is going to carry 2x4 YJ-83s. I think it is a more appropriate weapon for the hull, given both the projected role of the ship inside PLAN. We will have to see though.
 
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Tam

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Zichan said:
Any thoughts on what this small panel is? In some of the drawings I’ve seen, the lower part was a rectangular panel, the same width as the radar face with the small panel prominently standing out.
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Perhaps IFF or missile uplink?
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I mentioned before it's likely to be a CEC panel. It looks much like the other CEC panels we have seen with other PLAN warships, and in turn also looks similar to the US' USG-3 CEC panel.

The IFF would be the longer bars just beneath. It matches the appearance of other IFF installations on other PLAN warships.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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56860 said:
As long as it performs I could care less about how it looks.
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Type 87 is a notoriously unreliable gun, which means that's its chink in the armour. Else they won't have standardised the arsenal with 76mm and 130mm for 2 decades now.

Unless they've really worked out all those kinks so it's worthy to bring it back.
 
by78

by78

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A slightly less obstructed view of the unfinished bulbous bow from a while back.

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para80

para80

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MwRYum said:
Type 87 is a notoriously unreliable gun, which means that's its chink in the armour. Else they won't have standardised the arsenal with 76mm and 130mm for 2 decades now.

Unless they've really worked out all those kinks so it's worthy to bring it back.
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The second point is what I was thinking about too, also based on the new pop3-rundown on transitions between main guns.

It would be nice to see the internals, but I doubt thats happening anytime soon.
 
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Hitomi

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MwRYum said:
Type 87 is a notoriously unreliable gun, which means that's its chink in the armour. Else they won't have standardised the arsenal with 76mm and 130mm for 2 decades now.

Unless they've really worked out all those kinks so it's worthy to bring it back.
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The 100mm was out for less than 2 decades I am pretty sure. The 130mm first equipped the 052D which only started construction in 2012 and first commissioned in 2014. So the 100mm was still the primary gun up to at least 2012.

I am pretty sure the kinks have already been worked out because the tradeoff between a 76mm and 100mm isn't that big in modern naval warfare.
 
Gloire_bb

Gloire_bb

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
How many YJ-12s 054B carries is completely irrelevant in any scenario where PLAN is facing USN. Even if all 054B carried were YJ-83s, it's utility in a confrontation with USN would be undiminished. Likewise, hoe many NSM/Harpoon is carried by Constellation is equally irrelevant in a confrontation against the PLAN.
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In a general fleet action.
For mundane frigate jobs, - including, of course, mundane frigate jobs of a large naval war between PLAN and USN, - YJ-83/NSMs matter a whole lot. Frankly speaking - they probably matter way more than larger cruise missiles.

It's a bit of a mistake to only think in terms of great clashes like Marianas or Leyte, especially for GP frigates.
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
Gloire_bb said:
The only nation to go for all-slant(universal) is Taiwan - a curious choice.
Otherwise, slant ASCMs simply allow to install optimal & available weapons in a part of a typically smaller ship, which is often not usable for VLS.

Probably worth pointing out, but YJ-12, 18, and 83 are not equals, fill different niches and categories.
83 is the most universal, most capable against small/agile targets, easiest to handle, and most available.
12 is the least dependent on in-flight updates and support.
18, with its range and set of qualities is, most of all, a fleet weapon.
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I think YJ-83 is fine for littoral defence, but definitely not ideal for outside 1IC. I think it will be YJ-81, it a matter of how many ... my guess is 2x8 or possibly 2x6
 
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