054/A FFG Thread II

Tam

Brigadier
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Placement of CIWS seem carried over from 054A internal structures. It's not a good choice for placement but the 054's had this arrangement so they haven't done a ground up fresh design it seems? Or this just a modernised 054A while its replacement isn't shown.

I could imagine that its one of the reasons why the design was rejected, with PLAN looking to have a CIWS in front, behind the front VLS, and the HQ-10 on the back on top of the hanger. This design also uses a single helo, and maybe the PLAN is looking for something that can carry two helicopters as big as the Z-20. Another issue might be the radar and mast design. Is it me, or that's the same radar that's used on the Type 055's mast? The VLS appears to be H/AJK-16, like those on the 054A, meant to launch HQ-16A/B, but there are no illuminators throughout. As we have seen with other export frigate proposals, like this below, they bother to include the missile illuminators.

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So the frigate proposal deliberate omits the illuminators, which indicates two things, one is that it's firing a new kind of active guided SAM, and other, which I feel is more likely, its using HQ-16 but is target illuminated using the X-band AESA radars that are on the top mast.

In order to keep the costs down, and that four set X-band AESA radars must be expensive enough, there is no other radar on the ship that acts as a dedicated search radar. This leaves the ship to rely only on the four set X-band for every function, with a legacy Type 344 or Type 347G or Type 349 gun fire control radar as a backup, situated at the bottom of the mast. Furthermore, as if they want to control the costs down further, the CIWS doesn't have its own radar and EO, and is similar to the Type 730B, which is used on the 053H3 refit. The 730B is the 730 without the Type 347G radar and EO, and instead, there is a single Type 347G radar in the middle of the two CIWS that controls both of them. This means the four faced AESA, along with the legacy gun fire control radar, will also have to control the guns.

It is interesting to see the 730B --- or is it a radarless EOless version of the Type 1130 instead --- has a stealth turret design --- which is something long overdue on all PLAN vessels.
 

xyqq

Junior Member
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Going to revise this.
ZH Wiki has the Type 054A divided into four batches
First batch of four ships has some physical differences in the bow?
Second batch has the same equipment as the first batch.

The 1130 CIWS did not appear until the third batch. The number of SATCOM antennas have gone up from two to three, but this can be a retrofit.

Final batch has new ECM unit + revised ESM unit + new SATCOM array + possible ECCM array.
Yes, here is the 1st batch's bow:
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In comparison with the 2nd batch's bow (as well as later versions'):
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ansy1968

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Tam

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Hi Tam

Is that the same radar array on board Type 52D or a new design, from what I know this kind of radar is use in tracking stealth fighter. Its kind of strange if Pakistan Navy adopt this concept, cause India does not have a stealth fighter to begin with

Not the same radar but related, having a common origin from China. Same purpose yes. Even if India does not have a stealth fighter, the PN apparently likes this radar, as they already have it or its predecessor.

People forget that this radar originally was on a frigate, not on the 052C or 052D. Its also on the F22P, the export 053H3 to Pakistan. There seems to be two versions of this radar, Type 517?, and Pakistan has the twelve element version on their F22P. I don't know if they are getting a modernized version of this, or they are getting the new one on the 052DL.


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Tam

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HI TAM

Thanks for the info, appreciated.

Let me rephrase. The 8 element array you see in the ship in the middle is probably the China or domestic only version, but the 12 element array you see in the first and third pictures is the export version. I suspect the spacing between the elements of the two arrays are different so the 12 element one works at a different frequency from the other. The Bangladesh F19 had a refit where this radar is changed from what you see on the second picture to the first.

The one on the 054A/P is likely to be like the first and third one, which is on an F22P, albeit with updated electronics and software.
 

Tyler

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Foreign warship threatens Chinese scientific ship in Chinese territory

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Type 054 appeared to provide protection as enemy tried to flee

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Type 054A was a good send

this is a Independence-class littoral combat ship which has a lower tonnage than the FFG

no need for anything bigger like DDG or CG
 
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