054/A FFG Thread II

kwaigonegin

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Looks like 2018 is going to be another gang buster year for PLAN.
With the 055 coming online, and now possibly 054Bs and like asif said maybe 075 and the launch of carrier #2, they are heading for the skies!

The design reminds me of an advanced 21st century version of the iconic Perry class frigates.
 

KIENCHIN

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Looks like it will have two hangars and to have a 130mm gun on a 5000ton frigate is not unusual bearing in mind the Aussie ANZAC class at 3800tons has a 127mm gun, besides it will add to the use of a common gun on all of PLAN’s latest surface combatants with the advantage of logistic and bulid cost when mass produce.
 
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(CGI of Type 054B, I presume)

Meh, not sure if the PLAN will still stick with the slant box cells for the AshM. Seeing as the increased size would allow for a 8 cell U VLS to be installed. And 4 cells is a tad bit low for a frigate.
if it is ~5K displacement and 2x 20MW propulsion ... I don't see why not?, cost wise not too much different

Interesting whether it will have UVLS... I'd guess so.

Also it may have 4/8 YJ-18 as shown in the CGI

Also interesting whether it will have HHQ-10 short range SAM in 24-cell launcher ?

Thats will be very cool frigate!, perhaps the best Frigate out there
It will have to be compared to the Admiral Goshkrov, which is a very competent frigate in on itself. And I would say by looking at the CGI only, the Goshkrov would have the upper hand in terms of weapons load out (16 cruise or Anti ship missiles) and quality (120km range Poliment AA missile vs Type 54 B's hypothetical HQ-16C or D's 70-100).
 

Lethe

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The 054A is the most logical choice and also possesses significant commonality with the rest of the Pakistani military as their Army already operates the HQ-16 and the F-22Ps are equipped with numerous subsystems also found on the 054A like the YJ-83 launch and targeting suite and CIWS.

Also Pakistan will be able to piggy-back on the PLAN upgrade programs for 054A with no investment on their own part.
 

jobjed

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Meh, not sure if the PLAN will still stick with the slant box cells for the AshM. Seeing as the increased size would allow for a 8 cell U VLS to be installed. And 4 cells is a tad bit low for a frigate.

It will have to be compared to the Admiral Goshkrov, which is a very competent frigate in on itself. And I would say by looking at the CGI only, the Goshkrov would have the upper hand in terms of weapons load out (16 cruise or Anti ship missiles) and quality (120km range Poliment AA missile vs Type 54 B's hypothetical HQ-16C or D's 70-100).

Why are you comparing apples with oranges? The Gorshkov is a first-tier combatant like the 052D and Arleigh Burke while the 054B is a second-tier combatant meant to back up the first-tiers. The Russian equivalent of a 054B is the Grigorovich and I have no doubt the 054B outperforms the Grigorovich in the all areas of significance to the PLAN.
 
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Why are you comparing apples with oranges? The Gorshkov is a first-tier combatant like the 052D and Arleigh Burke while the 054B is a second-tier combatant meant to back up the first-tiers. The Russian equivalent of a 054B is the Grigorovich and I have no doubt the 054B outperforms the Grigorovich in the all areas of significance to the PLAN.
But they are considered frigates nonetheless with most of the same combat parameters. One must consider that the Grigorovich is more the equivalent of the original type 54 frigate.
If we can be so selective of the type of comparisons that we can make, then calling the type 54b the best frigate ever is obviously untrue as it would be skipping a few challengers. Like the Iver Huitfelt class.

The admiral gorshkov is in no way a destroyer class vessel. Indeed Russia currently have no vessels that fits the 7000-9000 ton weight class.
 
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kurutoga

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But they are considered frigates nonetheless with most of the same combat parameters. One must consider that the Grigorovich is more the equivalent of the original type 54 frigate.
If we can be so selective of the type of comparisons that we can make, then calling the type 54b the best frigate ever is obviously untrue as it would be skipping a few challengers.
The admiral gorshkov is in no way a destroyer class vessel. Indeed Russia currently have no vessels that fits the 7000-9000 ton weight class.

I think the armament is decided by the requirements of the ship. Maybe in PLAN 054 is not meant for anti-ship role in most cases. Unless their roles in different navies are comparable, the armament can be different. Just because they are all 4000 ton level ship does not necessarily mean they are directly compared.
 
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I think the armament is decided by the requirements of the ship. Maybe in PLAN 054 is not meant for anti-ship role in most cases. Unless their roles in different navies are comparable, the armament can be different. Just because they are all 4000 ton level ship does not necessarily mean they are directly compared.
True, but a difference in roles does not mean that the armament can be dismissed.
As such it would be more correct to say that the type 54b might be the best frigate for it's supposed purpose. But it would not be the best frigate ever if we are to take into account the multitude of tasks a frigate can be expected to take on.
 

jobjed

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But they are considered frigates nonetheless with most of the same combat parameters. One must consider that the Grigorovich is more the equivalent of the original type 54 frigate.
If we can be so selective of the type of comparisons that we can make, then calling the type 54b the best frigate ever is obviously untrue as it would be skipping a few challengers. Like the Iver Huitfelt class.

The admiral gorshkov is in no way a destroyer class vessel. Indeed Russia currently have no vessels that fits the 7000-9000 ton weight class.

Displacement is an ancillary measure when evaluating naval combatants and etymological description's even less useful. The most important is outfitting, from sensors, armament, to special missions equipment. In that regard, the Gorshkov is not comparable to the 054 family. So, no, they don't have the same combat parameters except displacement. In fact, they have combat parameters that are almost entirely different which is why I said comparing them directly is folly.

The 054A is a supporting combatant meant to undertake ASW missions as part of an expeditionary fleet and possesses a decent but rather low-end air-defence suite with limited anti-saturation capability. By contrast, the Gorshkov is not a support combatant and will assume the primary combat role as the air-defence heavyweight in any Russian fleet, as the 052Ds and soon 055s do in a Chinese fleet. The vessels that will support the Gorshkovs are the Grigorovichs and Gremyashchiys so those are the ones that should be compared to the 054 family. FYI, the Grigorovich's displacement is almost identical to the 054A's, not that it matters very much because displacement gives limited information about a vessel's role and capabilities.
 

steve_rolfe

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I see some are saying that 24 054B Frigates have been ordered, is that correct?..........or should it actually be meant to say that 24 are planned? There is a difference. :)
 
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