Jura The idiot
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based on Yesterday at 3:59 PM
and Yesterday at 4:23 PM
I would've thought an order had been placed, but don't quote me LOL
054/A FFG Thread II
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Also more importantly, the posters whom I am responding to earlier made the claim that the Type 54B would be the "best frigate out there". Now I am not being an intentional parade rainer here, but claiming that the Type 54B would be the "best" ignores the fact that it has to face serious competition from other frigates that also cover other fields of combat that are expected of a frigate as well that includes ASW and land strike.
As I stated in an earlier post. it would be more correct to call the Type 54B a good, maybe even the best (though that is yet to be seen) frigate of ASW and secondary air defense. But whether it would be the best frigate in overall performance and bang per buck is still an open question.
True, weight displacement matters little than it is now. But lets not be to ahead of ourselves to think that the Admiral Gorshkov would be performing as a major AA defence. If that really was the case, Russia would have at least used the s-300 instead of the Vityaz system. WIth a range of 120km mere it is not hard to imagine the Gorshkov playing a supporting role for a Slava or upgraded Kirov as well. And the Gorshkov is no less capable when it comes to ASW operations as well.
Also more importantly, the posters whom I am responding to earlier made the claim that the Type 54B would be the "best frigate out there". Now I am not being an intentional parade rainer here, but claiming that the Type 54B would be the "best" ignores the fact that it has to face serious competition from other frigates that also cover other fields of combat that are expected of a frigate as well that includes ASW and land strike.
As I stated in an earlier post. it would be more correct to call the Type 54B a good, maybe even the best (though that is yet to be seen) frigate of ASW and secondary air defense. But whether it would be the best frigate in overall performance and bang per buck is still an open question.
We have very rarely such infos with China ! it is a true cult of secrecy that they maintain very special in fact as in war time for we in Western or USSR doing beforeI see some are saying that 24 054B Frigates have been ordered, is that correct?..........or should it actually be meant to say that 24 are planned? There is a difference.
But Henri K 04/2017
The construction of the latter should start as soon as the 32 (??) Frigates Type 054A will be built. Knowing that the two Chinese shipyards, Hudong in Shanghai and Huangpu in Guangzhou, have just launched the 26th and 27th Type 054A, that is to say that the beginning of the construction of Type 054B could only begin at from 2019, for commissioning between 2021 and 2022.
To replace Jianghus FF in fact 056 don't have replaced remains 16 big weakness no SAMS/Ciws for ASW also few capable and for size Corvettes so 24 054B CAN be possible after ?
Project 22350M Gorshkov modified is what need Russian Navy to replace Udaloy and Sovrem. Krivak also and the last Kashin
Lider " DDG " ofc too big and expensive ! yet 22350 with futur UK Type 26 are the more powerful FFG almost a Destroyer 22350 is also a AEGIS like combattant
But on Russian topic better...
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I don't believe 054B would be too revolutionized as a lot of people may believe; IEPS would be the main upgrade, the redesign of the hangar to fit for Z-20 would be anticipated, however any other stuff, like UVLS, new X-band AESA radar, would not appear on 054B.
A brad new ship with brand new stuff is not PLAN's way to do things. IEPS means a brand new hull, and that's the purpose of 054B, to test the IEPS for next-gen PLAN surface combatant, that's all. Maybe there will be something like 054B flight II to have these, but the 054B we are eager to meet would not be very revolutionized like we want it so.
A brad new ship with brand new stuff is not PLAN's way to do things. IEPS means a brand new hull, and that's the purpose of 054B, to test the IEPS for next-gen PLAN surface combatant, that's all. Maybe there will be something like 054B flight II to have these, but the 054B we are eager to meet would not be very revolutionized like we want it so.
I think the 054B would look much like this ship.
The value of having IEP is more closer to ASuW work, due to its quietness, as opposed to AAW and AShP. The latter though is more of the domain of the Type 055 which is why I don't expect the 055 to get IEP soon. However, IEP does not mean its the most power efficient when it comes to propulsion, and for maximum and maintaining speed, destroyers like the Type 055 may retain traditional methods in order to keep up with the carrier. But of course, having said that, the RN Type 45 and the QE class of carriers need to be pointed out are both IEP or hybrid IEP.
Because the role of the Type 054B would be more ASuW, I would rule out using U-VLS or having YJ-18s fitted, like the fan made CGI in the earlier post. The good old VLS from the Type 054A can handily use the Yu-8 ASROCs, and it will fit the eight YJ-83 style canister for more Yu-8s.
Rather than the mini Type 052D CIWS layout, I would go with what is shown with the proposed export frigate, with two Type 1130 amidships, and an 8 cel HJ-10 launcher on top of the hanger. The hanger however still appears to carry only for one helicopter.
The 76mm from the Type 054A is retained, and not the 130mm from the Type 052D.
New AESAs on an integrated mast are a must. The Type 364 Sea Gull C, Type 382 Sea Eagle S/C or Sino-Fregat, Type 345 aka Sino-Orekhs, all have to go as they are growing obsolete even by Chinese standards. Even the Type 366 aka Sino-Mineral ME. The export frigate however seems to still show the Type 366 but the Type 055 is the first large scale Chinese surface combatant not to have this radar. I say large scale as the Type 056 doesn't have it either but its small scale.
Unless the panels are dual band, I would think the panels on top of the proposed export frigate are X-band, and is a variant from the Type 055's top mast. The radar would have to do the job of tracking and illuminating for the HQ-16 missiles in addition to search functions and support for the antiship missiles. Ideally I would have preferred a separate L or S band search radar. Maybe the frigate will retain the Type 364 on the second mast in front of the funnel. Maybe the Type 054B will have a near copy of the Type 055 integrated mast tower. That's can save on costs for both ships.
The value of having IEP is more closer to ASuW work, due to its quietness, as opposed to AAW and AShP. The latter though is more of the domain of the Type 055 which is why I don't expect the 055 to get IEP soon. However, IEP does not mean its the most power efficient when it comes to propulsion, and for maximum and maintaining speed, destroyers like the Type 055 may retain traditional methods in order to keep up with the carrier. But of course, having said that, the RN Type 45 and the QE class of carriers need to be pointed out are both IEP or hybrid IEP.
Because the role of the Type 054B would be more ASuW, I would rule out using U-VLS or having YJ-18s fitted, like the fan made CGI in the earlier post. The good old VLS from the Type 054A can handily use the Yu-8 ASROCs, and it will fit the eight YJ-83 style canister for more Yu-8s.
Rather than the mini Type 052D CIWS layout, I would go with what is shown with the proposed export frigate, with two Type 1130 amidships, and an 8 cel HJ-10 launcher on top of the hanger. The hanger however still appears to carry only for one helicopter.
The 76mm from the Type 054A is retained, and not the 130mm from the Type 052D.
New AESAs on an integrated mast are a must. The Type 364 Sea Gull C, Type 382 Sea Eagle S/C or Sino-Fregat, Type 345 aka Sino-Orekhs, all have to go as they are growing obsolete even by Chinese standards. Even the Type 366 aka Sino-Mineral ME. The export frigate however seems to still show the Type 366 but the Type 055 is the first large scale Chinese surface combatant not to have this radar. I say large scale as the Type 056 doesn't have it either but its small scale.
Unless the panels are dual band, I would think the panels on top of the proposed export frigate are X-band, and is a variant from the Type 055's top mast. The radar would have to do the job of tracking and illuminating for the HQ-16 missiles in addition to search functions and support for the antiship missiles. Ideally I would have preferred a separate L or S band search radar. Maybe the frigate will retain the Type 364 on the second mast in front of the funnel. Maybe the Type 054B will have a near copy of the Type 055 integrated mast tower. That's can save on costs for both ships.
Jura The idiot
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now noticed these claims in (plus the diagonal placement of funnels in the accompanying picture
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The Chinese Navy is now completely under the dumpling mode, a large number of new ships to build. More than 5 years, China-made aircraft carriers, 10,000 tons of large flooding, large-scale supply ships have been launched into service. So in the next five years, the Chinese navy will appear that some new ships do?
As the most advanced frigate of active service of the Chinese Navy since its service, the 054A frigate has taken an active part in protecting fisheries, escorting troops and joint military exercises, showing very wrong abilities. Therefore, the Navy again and again the additional orders, has now launched 29 ships, serving 25. However, since the first ship Xuzhou was commissioned in 2008, it has lasted for 10 years and the frigate has also exposed the shortcomings of small tonnage, insufficient firepower and slow speed. Therefore, the development of the next generation of 054B frigate has been imminent. It is reported that 054B frigate or will be integrated into the mast, making a variety of devices to achieve miniaturization and integration, the ship more invisible, radar reflection area smaller. In terms of power or will use electricity to promote the use of electricity to promote the reduction of traditional gear to reduce the noise and improve their concealment. In the field of weapons, I think it would be equipped with a 48-unit universal launching system that could be used to launch anti-aircraft, anti-submarine and anti-ship missiles in total to achieve the flexibility of performing various tasks. As for the hangar, two direct 20-type anti-submarine helicopters will be equipped with huge improvements in anti-submarine capability. In the future, joint operations with other Navy combat troops alone or in concert will be one of the indispensable members of the aircraft carrier battle group."
"054b Frigate expected map
The Chinese Navy is now completely under the dumpling mode, a large number of new ships to build. More than 5 years, China-made aircraft carriers, 10,000 tons of large flooding, large-scale supply ships have been launched into service. So in the next five years, the Chinese navy will appear that some new ships do?
As the most advanced frigate of active service of the Chinese Navy since its service, the 054A frigate has taken an active part in protecting fisheries, escorting troops and joint military exercises, showing very wrong abilities. Therefore, the Navy again and again the additional orders, has now launched 29 ships, serving 25. However, since the first ship Xuzhou was commissioned in 2008, it has lasted for 10 years and the frigate has also exposed the shortcomings of small tonnage, insufficient firepower and slow speed. Therefore, the development of the next generation of 054B frigate has been imminent. It is reported that 054B frigate or will be integrated into the mast, making a variety of devices to achieve miniaturization and integration, the ship more invisible, radar reflection area smaller. In terms of power or will use electricity to promote the use of electricity to promote the reduction of traditional gear to reduce the noise and improve their concealment. In the field of weapons, I think it would be equipped with a 48-unit universal launching system that could be used to launch anti-aircraft, anti-submarine and anti-ship missiles in total to achieve the flexibility of performing various tasks. As for the hangar, two direct 20-type anti-submarine helicopters will be equipped with huge improvements in anti-submarine capability. In the future, joint operations with other Navy combat troops alone or in concert will be one of the indispensable members of the aircraft carrier battle group."
asif iqbal
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Dual hanger with 48 cell VLS ?
I doubt that
I doubt that
antiterror13
Brigadier
so what improvements on new gen EW? ... and which one is the new one, left or right picture?
