054/A FFG Thread II

[zoolander]

I heard rumors about 054B and 054C

Any developments on that?

 

[tphuang]

I heard rumors about 054B and 054C

Any developments on that?

when we see them appear, we will know. there is no point thinking about ships that are not here yet when they are building so many ships right now.

also new pictures of 054A from HD that's being fitted out right now.

 

[pugachev_diver]

I heard rumors about 054B and 054C

Any developments on that?

I doubt there will be any B or C in the near future since the 054 design had already been really radical and modern for the Chinese navy.

The only two possibilities are increase in size and advancements in blocs similar to the consistent gradual improvements in F16s.

They probably will just build bigger ships with the same basic principal design and put in bigger radars along with bigger computers.

 

[pugachev_diver]

Just a quick question, how long does it usually take the Chinese to build frigates and destroyers from the first day when first steel plate is cut to main hull released into water for further installations?? Judging based on their paces for current 054 and destroyers...

 

[crobato]

I doubt there will be any B or C in the near future since the 054 design had already been really radical and modern for the Chinese navy.

The only two possibilities are increase in size and advancements in blocs similar to the consistent gradual improvements in F16s.

They probably will just build bigger ships with the same basic principal design and put in bigger radars along with bigger computers.

Those kind of changes you mention usually mean a letter change. If its really a big change, then its a number change, like 055.

 

[tphuang]

There was a recent segment on CCTV regarding 054A, I guess it's just covering ships that are sent to Somalia. Anyways, so they had a bunch of nice photos of the interior, top view, construction and torpedoes of 054A. I didn't attach any construction photos, since you guys already saw them before, but the following photos are pretty I think. This is the text for the report.

4月2日，湛江某军港，新型护卫舰“黄山舰”解缆启航，驶往索马里海域执行护航任务。
　　目送新型战舰远征重洋，负责监造“黄山舰”的驻广州某军代表室总代表俞国庆的自豪感油然而生。新型战舰溶进了他的智慧、心血和汗水。担任总代表6年来，他先后完成了多项新型战舰的研制监造任务，向部队交付20 艘“精品战舰”，分别获得国家科技进步一等奖、重大武器装备型号金奖和银奖。所在军代表室也被评为全军质量监督先进单位、海军新装备建设研制先进单位，并荣立集体三等功。
　　“用造飞机的标准造军舰”
　　作为海军军方代表，俞国庆和某船厂签订了一份建造新型护卫舰的合同。为了使新型护卫舰高标准建造，俞国庆确定了“精品战舰”的目标，那就是：用造飞机的标准造军舰！
　　船体焊接拍片一次合格率，行业要求是88%，《质量保证大纲》规定是93%，俞国庆确定的“精品战舰”的要求却是95%。类似这样的这48项“精品”控制项目，被细化到了舰艇上的每一个相关设备的技术规格书中，作为设备订货合同的附件明确下来，使设备制造质量得到显著提升。
　　监造“精品战舰 ”，必须实施“精细监督”。俞国庆提出实行“舱室责任人制”和“首诊负责制”。以往设计人员采用传统的“手工放样”，现场施工误差大，舱室管路、电缆缠绕 “打架”，安装各种设备时经常修改，窝工、返工。工厂按照俞国庆建议，采用计算机“三维放样”的新技术，将设计误差控制在几个毫米以内。船体焊接过去都用 “割枪”，切面毛糙不齐，焊接不实，隐藏气泡，外观也不好看。俞国庆力促工厂投资上千万元，购置水下等离子切割机，由电脑控制全自动切割出来的船体钢板，整齐美观。
　　建造某新型导弹快艇，首次采用全新材质，俞国庆带领军代表与工厂一道下大气力共同攻克“薄板变形控制”难题。过去使用钩子吊抓舰用薄板，容易变形，如今工厂购置了先进的“磁吸吊”，保证了薄板平整度；薄板在拼起来焊接时，由于受热不均，也容易变形，他们投资120万元，专门找厂家特制一种叫“压力架”的工装设备，固定压平薄板；又不惜投入资金，一次从国外购进100台最好的焊机，并首创一种“单面焊接、双面成型”新工艺，像制造艺术品一样精心造舰。俞国庆和他的军代表室监造的多艘导弹快艇，全都达到了《精品控制要求》。在上级机关进行的焊接合格率抽查中，质量最好。
　　 “工艺要像绣花一样精细”
　　在谈到舰艇建造质量时，俞国庆说：“对未来战争负责，我们的造船工艺要像绣花一样精细，焊好每一根触针！”
　　每一艘舰艇出厂前，俞国庆都要拿着放大镜，对每个插头一一进行检查。都合格了，他才放心地为新战舰签发“合格证”。
　　对“精品战舰”的执著追求，常常引发俞国庆对建造质量一遍遍的追问。有一艘导弹护卫舰赴印度洋远航，遭遇大风浪。位于前甲板的“缆孔盖板”，在大浪撞击下被摧毁。军代表室组织工厂对破损的盖板进行了修复。而对俞国庆来说，不是修好就完事了，他还是在琢磨着：“为什么会损坏？”“还能不能改进？”他和技术人员一起修改设计，在盖板上加装了弹簧，使其在大风浪撞击下具有一定的缓冲力。
　　2008年3月，俞国庆和军代表周佳宇组织船厂工人到部队进行售后服务。一艘战舰的舱室里水龙头流出的水引起了他的警觉：淡水管路中流出的水应该是清澈的，而他面前的水，却有一点淡淡的浑浊。
　　俞国庆立即组织工人师傅们当场对管路进行拆检，终于找到了原因所在。原来一些直径小、弯曲多的淡水管在外厂镀锌的时候，个别地方出现几个芝麻大的漏镀点，时间长了，管路就生锈腐蚀，造成了水质浑浊。
　　当场对存在问题的镀锌管进行了更换后，俞国庆组织轮机专业军代表张黎明等对车间未上舰的镀锌管进行破坏性试验，锯断弯角等地方查看镀层，果然发现存在镀层薄甚至没有镀到的“芝麻点”。
　　为了消除这些“芝麻点”，俞国庆和轮机专业军代表一起，闹出“大动静”：拆除已安装上舰的100多根、200多米长小口径镀锌管，带队到珠三角考察镀锌管厂家，择优筛选。当了解到目前镀锌行业由于污染大、能耗高，镀锌厂家大多是作坊式生产，难以保障“精品战舰”的需要时，俞国庆说服工厂，把淡水用镀锌管直接改为不锈钢管。虽然材料成本提高了50%，但是从根本上解决了质量问题，维护成本降为零。
　　“‘精品战舰’也要让舰员满意”
　　“只有勇于突破，才能拿出一流的精品！”突破传统的条条框框，从规范、设计、管理三方面创新改进，俞国庆四面出击，解决了舰艇动力系统振动噪声、武器系统命中率等一系列制约舰艇战斗力快速生成的“瓶颈”。
　　“精品战舰”首先要能战，要威猛，同时也要重视以人为本，让舰员满意。这是俞国庆的一个新理念。“舰员说好才是真的好！部队官兵对新装备使用满意，就是我们最高的荣誉！”俞国庆经常这样提醒军代表们。他带领厂方技术人员和军代表，组成攻关小组，大胆创新，使造舰理念从满足一般质量要求向舒适、安全、可靠的“精品”要求转变。
　　海军舰艇航行在茫茫大海上，产生的各种垃圾要等到靠码头后再到垃圾场处理，既占用有限的舰艇空间，又易滋生细菌蚊蝇。对此，舰上水兵们颇为无奈。俞国庆却是有心人，他组织研制了新型舰用固体垃圾收集处理装置，装在了战舰上。如今，5公斤重的烂西瓜，经过新装置粉碎、脱水和烘干后，只剩下像袋装雀巢咖啡大小的粉末，不但没有异味，还散发出淡淡的香味。
　　不久前，交付部队刚一年多的“徐州”号新型导弹护卫舰，开回了它的“出生地”广州某造船厂保修。俞国庆和曾元鉴、龙彪两名副总代表带领代表室全体同志登舰问候。舰长王宏民激动地说：“感谢你们为我们造了一艘好舰！”“徐州”舰入列当年就完成全训、带弹值班、参加演习。
　　俞国庆和军代表们组织工人为“徐州”舰精心进行了一次全面“体检”。披挂一新的“徐州”舰即将执行重大任务。舰长王宏民自信满满：“驾驶这样精良的战舰勇闯大洋，我们一百个放心！”

some notes from this:
- In the past 6 years, HP shipyard has produced 20+ naval ships. I'm guessing the 4 054 series ships + around 20 022s. There are also tugboats, not sure if those are included.
- They strive to build 054A according to airplane standard (whatever that means). It says the passing rate of welding of hull plates is 88% for commercial ship. And the passing rate for 054A is 95%. I don't think I'm getting the whole gist here, but basically it's along this line.
- It talks about using computer program to do ship design and buying precise cutting tools to do automated cutting of steel.
- For a new fast attack ship (I'm presuming 022), it had to use all new material. It talked about the amount of investment the shipyard made to ensure production quality, like importing 100+ of the world's most advanced welding machines. And It passed all the quality standard, had the best passing grade for welding or something like that.
- a bunch of more stuff on quality assurance, about how one of the frigate had something on the front deck damaged during a high sea level in Indian Ocean and then they came back and figured out new design idea to ensure this won't happen again.
- it even talked about waste disposal on the ship
- and that when 530 came back for regular maintenance after 1 year, the navy was really thankful of the ship
- and the entire training lessons were finished in the same year that the ship was commissioned.

 

[tphuang]

a little more, the 3rd 054As from HD shipyard's photos.

 

[adeptitus]

I like the interior construction photos where everyone is wearing hard hats. In the past some PLA/PLAN heavy construction photos showed workers without hard hats and uniforms. I think seeing everyone in hard hats, overalls, and what it appears to be hard shoes is one basic indication on improvement in strict workplace safety standards at the shipyard.

 

[pugachev_diver]

at last the interiors look modern and clean cut, no longer the old soviet style interiors where everything are exposed and ready to hit someone in the face

 

[Engineer]

If only I have that much time to do something like this:

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