054/A FFG Thread II

[Jeff Head]

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Is this accurate??

Well, they say that is was announced this year in August by the Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, and that they will be built by the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation No. 712 Institute.

They say 5,000 tons, and a completely new hull design.

We shall see.

They give these references. Can someone who speaks Chinese check them out?

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2013-08-22, 中国054B护卫舰或使用全电推进 具有6大优势, Sina.com

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2013-08-07, 如此凶猛：中国海军054B护卫舰问世, 战略网

The first reference shows this pic as a representation of the Type 054B:

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The second reference shows the following picture as a Type 054B under construction:

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But those two pics certainly do not match. There is certainly not enough space between the gun mount and bridge of the second picture to include what is shown in those spaces in the first, particularly the VLS mounted along the length axis of the vessel.

 

[chuck731]

Well, they say that is was announced this year in August by the Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, and that they will be built by the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation No. 712 Institute.

They say 5,000 tons, and a completely new hull design.

We shall see.

They give these references. Can someone who speaks Chinese check them out?

1.

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2013-08-22, 中国054B护卫舰或使用全电推进 具有6大优势, Sina.com

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2013-08-07, 如此凶猛：中国海军054B护卫舰问世, 战略网

The first reference shows this pic as a representation of the Type 054B:

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The second reference shows the following picture as a Type 054B under construction:

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But those two pics certainly do not match. There is certainly not enough space between the gun mount and bridge of the second picture to include what is shown in those spaces in the first, particularly the VLS mounted along the length axis of the vessel.

The top picture suggests the vessel is either inspired by, or is meant to match, the Akizuki. Note new fixed AESA on the foremast, backed up by a spinning AESA array on the main mast.

 

[Blitzo]

While there probably is an 054B in development, likely with IPS and an emphasis on ASW, I think both sources and their associated pictures are all BS.

And the wikipedia site is full of it too. C-805 doesn't exist, and it's way too early for an HHQ-16C or D

 

[Lion]

I hope the 054B will carry 32 VLS standardise cell , same one use in type 052D instead of upgraded HQ-16.

 

[pissybits]

Well, they say that is was announced this year in August by the Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, and that they will be built by the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation No. 712 Institute.

They say 5,000 tons, and a completely new hull design.

We shall see.

They give these references. Can someone who speaks Chinese check them out?

1.

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2013-08-22, 中国054B护卫舰或使用全电推进 具有6大优势, Sina.com

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2013-08-07, 如此凶猛：中国海军054B护卫舰问世, 战略网

The first reference shows this pic as a representation of the Type 054B:

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The second reference shows the following picture as a Type 054B under construction:

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But those two pics certainly do not match. There is certainly not enough space between the gun mount and bridge of the second picture to include what is shown in those spaces in the first, particularly the VLS mounted along the length axis of the vessel.

the first link is written in a much more professional and journalistic style and seems more credible, while the second link specifically states that the information therein comes from amateur sources.

the first article talks mostly about an indigenous all-electric propulsion unit that will power the 054b. this unit is purportedly rated at <20 megawatts, while the power necessary to propel the 054a is given at 10 megawatts. it also lists some advantages of having all electric propulsion, and mentions that in may of this year, a 5.4 megawatt electric propulsion unit designed by the 712 institute beat out proposals from international contractors ABB and GE to become the first such domestic design fitted into a COSL deepwater drilling rig.

however, it is problematic because it also mentions ddg-21 the american gerald ford class supercarrier, the royal navy's type 45 destroyer, and the upcoming queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier as examples of ships incorporating a combined electric and diesel propulsion. i was under the impression that the ford class was nuclear powered, while wikipedia tells me that ddg-21 had steam turbines.

 

[Jeff Head]

it is problematic because it also mentions ddg-21 the american gerald ford class supercarrier, the royal navy's type 45 destroyer, and the upcoming queen elizabeth class aircraft carrier as examples of ships incorporating a combined electric and diesel propulsion. i was under the impression that the ford class was nuclear powered, while wikipedia tells me that ddg-21 had steam turbines.

Thanks for that info.

Indeed, the

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aircraft carriers are nuclear powered (like the Nimits class. But the Ford class has two, very powerful and efficient nuclear reactors in each vessel, which are said to provide at least 200% more power than the older ones in a significantly smaller footprint. But the nuclear reactor is used to superheat water creating steam which then runs generators that power the vessel.

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(formerly DDG-21) uses 2 Rolls-Royce MT30 Gas Turbines producing 36 Mw each.

 

[asif iqbal]

Yeah thats how all modern day nuclear powered systems work, the Astute Class SSN is the same, nuclear power boils the water turns huge amounts of steam which turns the turbine

In essence you can its a steam powered submarine! well not quite but you get my drift

 

[adeptitus]

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Is this accurate??

I would caution you from putting too much faith in the article. As far as we know, much of what has been written about the 054B is speculative. I'd go as far as to say that China's next frigate may not even carry the Type 054B designation.

Back when China was refurbishing the aircraft carrier, many internet articles claimed that it'd be named "Shi Lang", despite the fact that Chinese Navy warships are named after cities and not people.

 

[steve_rolfe]

Well according to a respected Chinese navy source at 'HSH'.............it has been rumoured that the Chinese government has or had given two institutes, the requisite to design a replacement for the 054A Frigate.........one institute was given the task of coming up with a design based on the 054A platform, and the other design institute to come up with a new design all together which would be known as the 057.
I cant remember the conclusion of the article.......but i do remember reading that it maybe a little while before we see the next generation of Chiinese Frigate!

 

[joshuatree]

So has it been confirmed that the type 054A is nearing the end of production if so I have a theory Id like some imput on. The Type 054A is a replacement the really old Type 053's which are being phased out or transfered to foreign navies (

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) . While the Type 054B will be replacements for the far more modern Type 053 H2/H3 (or the HQ-61/ and HQ-7 missile ships) (

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There were about 33 type 053 units built (Jianghu designation). The question is, do people think the type 054A will replace them in the same quantity? If so, we're still about 13 units behind. Or does the increase in capability in the type 054A over the type 053s make up for the difference in number? Do the 2208s and increasing number of type 056 factor into the build equation?

What's more of a priority for the surface fleet? More destroyers? Type 055 vs type 054B? These are open questions, I'm just curious on what others think. Personally, I think the focus will be on the type 052Ds and 056s to build up the navy, one short range, one long range. The current 054s have established a base for China's blue water fleet. They may or may not build a few more considering the construction costs should have dropped significantly now due to economies of scale and production refinement. A few more years later, the 053H22G/H3s (14 total) will be getting older and then a next gen frigate to replace those numbers will make sense. The advancements made in R&D for the next gen frigate will also be applicable for a cruiser 055 as well.