asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
What? Thats already wrong, A picture says a thousand words, we can all see the development of Type 054A simply by following photos
HP has launched 18th unit today
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054/A FFG Thread II
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What? Thats already wrong, A picture says a thousand words, we can all see the development of Type 054A simply by following photos
HP has launched 18th unit today
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
18th launch from HP
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
So now HP 9 is the 18th of the total
We still have HD 10 to launch this year which is 19th of the total
I would make that 19 launches since September 2006 till September 2013, that's 19 launches in 84 months or on average one every 4 1/2 months or apporx 3 units per year
In 2014 we will know fate of the Type 054A production, which will be in its 8th year!!
We still have HD 10 to launch this year which is 19th of the total
I would make that 19 launches since September 2006 till September 2013, that's 19 launches in 84 months or on average one every 4 1/2 months or apporx 3 units per year
In 2014 we will know fate of the Type 054A production, which will be in its 8th year!!
plawolf
Lieutenant General
The whole point in investing in an universal VLS is to put it on all ships that can take it to streamline logistics. To argue that the PLAN won't need the 054B because it uses the same missiles as the 052D makes no sense whatsoever and is like suggesting the USN don't need Burkes because they have the same VLS as the Ticos.
Every fighting force needs a good mix between quality and quantity, a hi-lo mix as you will. Sure it would be cool to have a fleet comprised entirely of 052Ds and heavier ships, but not everyone can sustain USN levels of spending, hell, not even the US can support USN levels of spending, and Uncle Sam is making deep and painful cuts to its current and future force structch as a result, but that's off topic.
The point is 054B might have the same VLS and even carry the same missiles as 052Ds, but the 052Ds will still have the far bigger and better sensors, and likely more/better signal processing and fleet C&C capabilities on top of the bigger weapons load. However, the 054B will be significantly cheaper to build and operate, so the PLAN can field a far bigger fleet with 054Bs and 052Ds than it can with only 052Ds.
If the fleet has a streamlined VLS and weapons load and have the right datalink and software, a few 052Ds could use their superior sensor range to provide co-operative engagement targeting support for several 054Bs scores of miles apart, so there shouldn't be much if any performance compromise compared to if the fleet comprised entirely of a smaller number 052Ds, and indeed is likely to prove superior to the 052D only force in most scenarios.
With the new universal VLS, an 054B would still be able to carry HQ16s just like 054As, but would also have the option for a far more diverse weapons load, ranging from HQ9s to the future PL12 quad pad packable SAMs to cruise missiles and AShMs, potentially allowing the designers to go the same route as the 052D and loose the box AShM launchers to get about few more 8 cell VLS modules in the back for a much bigger weapons load potential.
The 10th of Hudong will be launched on September 30 2013, a week after next Monday.
steve_rolfe
Junior Member
Yes, i understand........ but i suppose some people determine the word launch in reference to ship building........to be a ship in the water, rather than just outside its construction hallway.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Whoever mentioned that a 32 cell VLS at the front and 16 cell VLS at the back on the Type 054B is a really good idea
That would give the Type 054B a 48 cell VLS on par with Type 052C which by all accounts would be great
Today's luxury becomes tommorrow standard, using a FFG and having the same power as DDG is the way forward, always improving and always developing better technology's
Add the universal VLS to the Type 054B and it's bang in the Type 052D territory, then add same universal VLS to the Type 055 CG and you have one unified VLS on FFG, DDG and CG
Type 054A and Type 052C can stick with thier own versions no big deal there no need for even replacement
That would give the Type 054B a 48 cell VLS on par with Type 052C which by all accounts would be great
Today's luxury becomes tommorrow standard, using a FFG and having the same power as DDG is the way forward, always improving and always developing better technology's
Add the universal VLS to the Type 054B and it's bang in the Type 052D territory, then add same universal VLS to the Type 055 CG and you have one unified VLS on FFG, DDG and CG
Type 054A and Type 052C can stick with thier own versions no big deal there no need for even replacement
franco-russe
Senior Member
I see that A. Man confirms the 30 September launch date of Hull 19, but where and when did Henri Kenhmann report that date? I know he is posting at Chinese Military Pictures, which he has resumed after a length pause, but I did not find that specific piece of information.
Whether Hull 18 is launched today or tomorrow at Huangpu, and it certainly will be before the end of the month, does not invalidate the statement that two will be launched this month.
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steve_rolfe
Junior Member
H.K's comments were posted on the 'Pakistan Defence Forum'.
And, as you stated, with cooperative engagement, if the PLAN in fact had developed and deployed it (which has not been verified to my knowledge), adding a couple of Type 054Bs to a single Type 052D would be more flexible and more effective than two Type 052Ds.
Having that modern, common VLS, and being able to take advantage of the Type 052Ds sensors when needed makes for a powerful combination.
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