054/A FFG Thread II

[Jeff Head]

Good pictures, and analysis Jeff.............by the way i didnt know you were contributing to the PLANS shipbuilding efforts.

Forget the 054A's.....In the UK, we need someone to help us build some bleedin Frigates for the Royal Navy!..........haha

Hehe just for study and comparison here at home.

Also, the new Frigates that will be coming out for the UK are going to be first rate. The Type 23s are still in service and are excellent ASW frigates. A pair of those in conjunction with a pair of Darings are just the thing for the new carriers group...along with an Astute or Trafalager Those five escorts with the QE would be about as strong a CSG escort group as is out there....about. Of course a Tico, three Burkes and a Virginia escorting a US CVN would give them a real run for their money.

 

[asif iqbal]

ah Jeff you missed out the new MARS replenishment tanker for the Royal Navy!

 

[Jeff Head]

ah Jeff you missed out the new MARS replenishment tanker for the Royal Navy!

The four Tide-Class MARS vessels will be outstanding additions to the RN, and absolutely necessary.

Generally, in the US way of grouping vessels, the replensihment vessels are not considered an intergral part of the CSG per sey. They form a separate replensihment group, with its own escort, that rendezvous with the CSG as necessary, but then sails seperately when the CSG is "doing its thing." They then meet up again the next time the CSG needs "topping off."

Here's an artist depiction of a Tide Class replenishing a Daring.

 

[steve_rolfe]

Hehe just for study and comparison here at home.

Also, the new Frigates that will be coming out for the UK are going to be first rate. The Type 23s are still in service and are excellent ASW frigates. A pair of those in conjunction with a pair of Darings are just the thing for the new carriers group...along with an Astute or Trafalager Those five escorts with the QE would be about as strong a CSG escort group as is out there....about. Of course a Tico, three Burkes and a Virginia escorting a US CVN would give them a real run for their money.

Yes....the ships we have are very good...its just that in the case of Frigates, we need new ones soon...i mean i believe the last Type 23 joined the fleet in the early 2000's and we wont get another new Frigate for quite a few years yet, meaning there being a gap of some 20 years after last of class was commissioned to first of new class joining.

I have been aboard a Type 23, and even in comparison with a Type 22 they are relatively small ships, and quite cramped, judging by the stairwells i negotiated. One good thing is though............they are very well armed.

In my lifetime, the Frigate has been the mainstay of the RN, and there were always new classes of ships ready to join the fleet, when the construction of the previous class was finished.
Anyway, at least the goverment is keeping the Type 23 fleet upto scratch, with regular weapons and systems upgrades.

By the time the first Type 26 is delivered to the RN.....i wonder how many 054A or should i say 054B Frigates the PLAN would of built by then!

 

[kwaigonegin]

The four Tide-Class MARS vessels will be outstanding additions to the RN, and absolutely necessary.

Generally, in the US way of grouping vessels, the replensihment vessels are not considered an intergral part of the CSG per sey. They form a separate replensihment group, with its own escort, that rendezvous with the CSG as necessary, but then sails seperately when the CSG is "doing its thing." They then meet up again the next time the CSG needs "topping off."

Here's an artist depiction of a Tide Class replenishing a Daring.

Not just that BUT replenishment vessels are manned by civilians NOT USN personnels (although USN personnels are onboard for other roles) .. They are also not designate USS but rather USNS which stands for United States Naval Ship as oppose to just United States Ship. Unlike USS designation USNS vessels are not officially commissioned warships and they served under the MSC (Militay Sealift Command) banner.

 

[jobjed]

would of

"Would have", or "would've" but definitely not "would of"

 

[asif iqbal]

Yes....the ships we have are very good...its just that in the case of Frigates, we need new ones soon...i mean i believe the last Type 23 joined the fleet in the early 2000's and we wont get another new Frigate for quite a few years yet, meaning there being a gap of some 20 years after last of class was commissioned to first of new class joining.

I have been aboard a Type 23, and even in comparison with a Type 22 they are relatively small ships, and quite cramped, judging by the stairwells i negotiated. One good thing is though............they are very well armed.

In my lifetime, the Frigate has been the mainstay of the RN, and there were always new classes of ships ready to join the fleet, when the construction of the previous class was finished.
Anyway, at least the goverment is keeping the Type 23 fleet upto scratch, with regular weapons and systems upgrades.

By the time the first Type 26 is delivered to the RN.....i wonder how many 054A or should i say 054B Frigates the PLAN would of built by then!

Certainly we should have not decommissioned off the 4 Type 22, they could have been a cheap way to keep numbers high for when a FFG is required, now we end up sending in a Type 23 or worse a Type 45 DDG

Royal Navy is in tatters no doubt, but we have shifted to a smaller but more sophisticated Navy, UK simply was unable to keep a large sophisticated navy because of bad corrupt politicians

Had we got 12 x Type 45 DDG and hold on to the Type 22 and brought forward the induction of the Type 26 we would be ok

I mean Type 45 suffered 2 tragedys, one is the lack of the Tomahawk and second the reduction in the numbers

In a recent excersize with the USN in the Persian Gulf a Type 45 working with Arleigh Burke and Nimtiz class carrier ( carrier strike group one and nine) the Type 45 switched on its PAARMs system, so sophisticated was the system that the Ameircans actually asked the Type 45 captain to switch off the system, And the words he used was "constrained" yes the Type 45 with its PAAMS system on was contraining the excersize and they were unable to allow flexibility to train for the dynamic of the excersize

That makes it even more of a tragedy for the Type 45 numbers, 12 DDG would have really given Royal Navy a powerful punch

 

[Mysterre]

In a recent excersize with the USN in the Persian Gulf a Type 45 working with Arleigh Burke and Nimtiz class carrier ( carrier strike group one and nine) the Type 45 switched on its PAARMs system, so sophisticated was the system that the Ameircans actually asked the Type 45 captain to switch off the system, And the words he used was "constrained" yes the Type 45 with its PAAMS system on was contraining the excersize and they were unable to allow flexibility to train for the dynamic of the excersize

I have an alternative explanation: the PAAMS was so damned electronically noisy and clogging allied radars, giving false radar returns, and hogging bandwidth that they asked the Type 45 captain to basically shut the hell up. Prove me wrong.

 

[PanAsian]

Everyone, let's take a breather here. Unless we're actually in the defense industry and are revealing information we probably shouldn't, anything that is said about the performance of weapons systems is either guesstimation or hearsay. There's no need to take any of it too seriously whether you're saying it or hearing it.

 

[T-U-P]

asif iqbal, you've been here long enough to know that name calling is not allowed under any circumstances! Next time you get reported for this sort of thing you'll be taking a vacation elsewhere.

Now, as long time members of SDF, I hope, and I'm sure that, you and Mysterre can put the differences behind and continue contribute to SDF in a positive manner.

- TUP