054/A FFG Thread II

Mysterre

Banned Idiot
Before they start retiring any of the 2 Type 054's and the 14 Type 053 Jiangwei's they may want to retire the 21 Type 053 Jianghu's and the 11 Type 051 Luda's first.
Yes, I'm assuming this. I thought they were already in the process of retiring these ships.

Including the Sovs right? :D
Yes, those damned Sov's too. :)

You know, with the Sov's for ASuW, the 051C for long range air defence, and the 052B for medium range air defense, you've got a decent task force TBH. They can even stuff the Luhu, Luhai, JW's and 054's into the NSF if they don't want to sell/retire those ships. You would be left with a hodgepodge of modern and semi-modern ships, but at least they would all be in one fleet and close to home at all times.
 

Engineer

Major
And yet the PLAN has been pumping out 056's, 054A's, and 052C's like no tomorrow. Clearly they wouldn't build them if they couldn't crew them.

This. PLAN has a tradition of having the crew readied before the ships. Take those aviation captains for example, they were trained two... three decades before the sea trail of the Varyag. Also, PLAN most likely have standardized the user interface of various battle stations, meaning crew member for one position should be able to transfer from one type of ship to another with none to minimal trainings. The problem regarding personnel is completely exaggerated in my opinion.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Eventually I think we will see 5 flotillas of Frigates 2 x SSF, 2 x ESF and 1 x NSF (Type 054/054A)

then for DDG 4 flotillas 2 x ESF, 1 x SSF and 1 x NSF (Type 052C/D)

But I think PLAN should add a 3rd flotilla of Type 054A to ESF which will require production run of 22 x Type 054As over the current 18
 

MwRYum

Major
Read that article posted by manilaboy. Jianghus, which are about the same size and roughly similarly armed, have already been involved in this dispute.

There could be a lot of things that caused it, it's nigh impossible to pass judgement in this at this time, with so little news available...however if it was deliberate, it's interesting because the PI have done the same thing before with a LST.

And yet the PLAN has been pumping out 056's, 054A's, and 052C's like no tomorrow. Clearly they wouldn't build them if they couldn't crew them.
It takes about a year to churn out one from the assembly line and another year to shakedown before handover to the PLAN, in terms of timeline that's about right, if to do it on one-to-one replacement rate. Besides, I prefer a conservative estimates, unlike you who tend to lean on the optimistic figure.

Ships can be moved around and reassigned to different fleets easily, so the pace of buildup of each fleet is IMO more a reflection of the importance the PLAN leadership attaches to them than anything else. NSF's role is defense of the Beijing military region, Bohai Bay, and the Yellow Sea. Despite its seeming importance in having to defend the capital and surrounding waters, it's probably the least important of the three fleets and I predict will be the recipient of the leftovers from the other fleets. ESF's role is Taiwan and the East China Sea, including potential conflicts with Japan, while the SSF is the South China Sea. These two fleets are IMO going to get the lion's share of new ships and will get them first, their ability to move back and forth between different fleets/task forces notwithstanding.

The northeastern region of China is about the most critical heavy industrial hub of China, plus the capital is less than 200km from the coast and port city of Tianjin, the value of NSF is always significant. In fact, defense of capital along is significant, that's why PLA is still keeping 2 of its best armored divisions just outside the capital.

Situations for China is always bad - more like a "bad year" and "not so bad year" for them - only difference is that now they got more money so they can finally invest on the SSF because it has so much potential for expansion, and the need to do so. What's more, back in the day when SSF was such poor sod, modernization was actually easy, just give them "standard, everything new" can streamline the logistics; also, back in the day PI & VN weren't as blatantly aggressive as today's, that gives PLAN time and opportunity to plan things out, instead like the NSF is always under pressure to keep the numbers and capabilities to a degree that they can't really wait for home-brew stuff to be ready, thus the significant number of imports the NSF sports.
 

tphuang

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Don't think this has been posted yet.

The 6th 054A from HP was commissioned on the 9th as 572. It's named after the city of HengShui. And it's commissioned at Sanya which is where the first frigate flotilla is at.

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城舰同名,血脉相连。7月9日上午,以“衡水”命名的我军最新型导弹护卫舰----海军“衡水”舰入列命名仪式在海南省三亚市某军港举行,这是人民海军与衡水市双拥共建活动的伟大创举和成功实践。南海舰队副司令员张兆垠少将宣读了“衡水”舰入列命名命令并为“衡水”舰授军旗、颁发命名证书,市委副书记周金中讲话,副市长邹立基代表市政府向“衡水”舰全体官兵授予“衡水市荣誉市民”称号并赠送慰问金和礼品,三亚市副市长许振凌出席仪式。

周金中在讲话中首先代表衡水市委、市政府和全市436万人民,对“衡水”舰的入列命名表示热烈祝贺,对全舰官兵致以诚挚的问候,并简要介绍了衡水的概况和经济社会发展情况。他说,衡水是一座历史悠久、人才辈出、具有光荣革命传统的城市,是一座区位优越、交通便利、生态优美的城市,是一座朝气蓬勃、充满活力、正在加快发展的城市,是一座有着拥军优属光荣传统的城市。以“衡水”命名我军最新型的导弹护卫舰,是部队和衡水双拥工作取得的又一重要成果,也为衡水做好今后的拥军优属工作搭建了新的平台,全市人民为此深感骄傲和自豪。相信“衡水”舰必将成为展示我国海军威武之师、文明之师、胜利之师形象的重要平台,成为捍卫国家安全和发展利益、维护世界和平的重要力量。同时,作为衡水的一块流动热土,“衡水”舰也必将成为衡水走向世界的亮丽名片,为宣传衡水、提升衡水对外开放水平做出积极贡献。衡水市委、市政府将始终关心支持“衡水”舰的建设和发展,带领全市人民积极支持国防和部队现代化建设,努力推动全市双拥工作不断迈上新台阶,为“衡水”舰这个光荣的集体当好坚强后盾。

仪式结束后,军地领导参观了“衡水”舰,签订了共建协议,并进行了座谈。

当晚,部队还精心准备了“欢迎衡水舰归建”文艺晚会,军地领导观看演出并与演出人员合影留念。
 

meyer

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I have seen Z-9 and Ka-28 helos aboard the 054A. Is there any information which ship carries what type of helo?
 

no_name

Colonel
A pic of a 054A under construction in 2010.

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