054/A FFG Thread II

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I think cold launch missiles require more maintenance and care than hot launched missiles. With a hot launched missile, only the missile itself needs to work. With cold launch, the gas powered pistons needs to work as well as the missile itself.

Hot launched systems also gives greater flexibility in terms if the types of missiles it can take. A cold launched system needs to be calibrated to the missile type used. As the S400 system shows, it is possible to have the same tube launch different missile types and even quad packing is possible, but I would dare say that there is an upper limit to what kind if weapon a cold launched system can handle that would be lower than a hot launched one.

If you look at a cold launch canister, you will see that a sizable portion of the lower section is used to store the cold launch system. The bigger the missiles the system needs to launch, the bigger the cold launch system and the deeper the whole package. On a warship where space is at a premium, a more compact, flexible and less maintenance intensive system would be preferable.

So to sum up the above, for two systems designed with exactly the same dimension tube, you would be able to pack a longer and heavier missile into a hot launched tube than a cold launched one.

With regards to accidental explosions, well the exhaust venting channels and open VLS doors would direct the vast majority of the energy of any blast safely out of the ship. Being able to survive an accidental detonation would also be one of the primary design requirements for multi-cell ship based VLS, so the walls of the cells would have been tested to withstand such a catastrophic malfunction before the system was certified.

The biggest advantage cold launched systems have over hot launched is in terms of being able to deal with a misfire. If the rocket engine on a cold launched missile fails, the missile will most likely just fall into the sea harmlessly after being propelled out of the cell, and the ship can operate as normal. If it was the cold launch gas piston that failed, it should be able to disarm the missile easily enough and again carry on as normal.

If a hot launched missile fails to light its engines, the missile is stuck, live, in the cell and poses a huge risk until it can be removed, which usually involves pulling into dock and getting bomb disposal in to help.
 

delft

Brigadier
That makes sense but for one thing. I would have the missile armed by it experiencing the launch acceleration for enough seconds to know the missile is truly away from the ship. Could you dissolve the fuel from the motor to take away that danger and at the same time reduce the weight to be pulled from the launch tube?
 

no_name

Colonel
In the hot launched system the booster rocket is used to push and accelerate the missile out of the ship before the first stage ignites. So there may well be a safety mechanism for first stage ignition in case something went wrong with booster stage and the missile is not ejected from the ship.
 

no_name

Colonel
No doubt the ship was building behind the catamaran and has now been moved forward. But do I see modules for a type 54A on a ship in a floating dock? I do not believe it. So where are those "modules"?

I'm just guessing. It could be for the civilian ship beside it, since it looks too tall to fit the superstructure while it is still inside the building so they might move it out onto water first.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
In the hot launched system the booster rocket is used to push and accelerate the missile out of the ship before the first stage ignites. So there may well be a safety mechanism for first stage ignition in case something went wrong with booster stage and the missile is not ejected from the ship.

Are you sure all hot launched VLS SAMs have a booster rocket? I do not remember seeing anyone on many SM1 launches I have seen. Some of the later blocks and SM2 can have a range extension rocket added, but that is just another rocket engine instead of a booster rocket, which itself is only really typical for long range turbo-jet/fan powered cruise missiles.

For the same extra weight and length, it would be more range efficient to just make the SAM longer to start with I believe.

I am also unsure just how much extra safety measure such a booster rocket will add. If it fails to ignite, there is still always the risk it might light off at any second, and you don't really want to fire up the missile's main engines as that is very likely to cook off the booster rocket.
 

no_name

Colonel
I only searched for SM-2. Also was thinking more of the booster rocket malfunctioning in a way so that it ignites but fails to push the missile out of the container, in which case you might want to not let the main motor start after the booster burned out.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I only searched for SM-2. Also was thinking more of the booster rocket malfunctioning in a way so that it ignites but fails to push the missile out of the container, in which case you might want to not let the main motor start after the booster burned out.

Fair enough, but I am struggling to think of any likely causes for the 'booster' motor to start but fail to lift the missile off.

But if that did happened, it would probably be the worst kind of malfunction possible, as the massive heat build up, even with all the vents, from the rocket motor running inside the VLS would almost certainly cause the missile itself to detonate. Chances are the walls of the VLS cell would have been greatly weakened from the prolonged intense heat, so when the SAM does go off, it might be enough to breach the walls and set off nearby missiles in neighbouring cells.
 

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pictures from HP shipyard for the 6th and 7th 054A there. There are some modules of possibly the 8th 054A, but nothing conclusive is seen.
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