052C/052D Class Destroyers

mglcz

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The PLAN should focus on type 055s and 052DLs or even an 052E and stop procuring frigates and corvettes.
 

Tam

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It looks like they are not building anymore of type 054 and type 071. Are they going to concentrate all resources on cranking out type 055?

Type 055 is being made in separate shipyards from those making 054 and 071.

The one making 054 and 071 is now making Type 075, more 056A which is further improved, and Pakistan's export order of 054A/P.

Another shipyard that used to make 054A continues to make 056A, probably Pakistan 054A/P but it would be difficult to sight via satellite since this shipyard build its ships inside a shed.

I believe once these contracts are done, they will be building XX4B which will be the next generation frigate.
 

antiterror13

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It looks like they are not building anymore of type 054 and type 071. Are they going to concentrate all resources on cranking out type 055?

They will stop producing frigate once the number has reached the intended numbers. Mind you 054A++ still very useful in non high intensity area and a lot cheaper to operate

But I guess i won't stop, as 054B/057 frigate will start soon
 

Tam

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The PLAN should focus on type 055s and 052DLs or even an 052E and stop procuring frigates and corvettes.

Nah. PLAN fears the Virginia class submarines, which by the way there is already nearly 20 of them, way more than the Burkes, which is why it shifted all 056 production to the 056A ASW variant, and every 054A ship from the second batch on had better ASW capability. S. Korea adding Type 214s, Japan adding Soryus, both countries looking for their respective next generation SSK. Taiwan is working on a new SSK project. Every country in the SEA from Singapore to Indonesia to the Philippines are procuring new submarine or has serious plans to. In the meantime we don't hear much about PLAN submarine progress, although a picture of Type 039B, the Yuans with the curved sail, pop up here and there. So until PLAN is able to counter with the mass production of a new generation of submarines both AIP and nuclear, the other best counter is a large fleet of ASW surface vessels, frigates and corvettes.

Just to give you an idea, each Type 056A corvette has the same sonars, hull, TAS and VDS, along with torpedoes, as a 052D or 055. Likewise, each 054A has the same sonar sets as the other three ships.
 

Bhurki

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I think 071 is done, 075 will take its place in shipyards. Also, until the successor to 054a comes, 056 will keep the line busy.

Whats worrying is the future of destroyer line, since only 3 more ships are visible, both in drydock and segments, and the ones that are visible are close to launching.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Nah. PLAN fears the Virginia class submarines, which by the way there is already nearly 20 of them, way more than the Burkes, which is why it shifted all 056 production to the 056A ASW variant, and every 054A ship from the second batch on had better ASW capability. S. Korea adding Type 214s, Japan adding Soryus, both countries looking for their respective next generation SSK. Taiwan is working on a new SSK project. Every country in the SEA from Singapore to Indonesia to the Philippines are procuring new submarine or has serious plans to. In the meantime we don't hear much about PLAN submarine progress, although a picture of Type 039B, the Yuans with the curved sail, pop up here and there. So until PLAN is able to counter with the mass production of a new generation of submarines both AIP and nuclear, the other best counter is a large fleet of ASW surface vessels, frigates and corvettes.

Just to give you an idea, each Type 056A corvette has the same sonars, hull, TAS and VDS, along with torpedoes, as a 052D or 055. Likewise, each 054A has the same sonar sets as the other three ships.
Does 056A has Yu-8 rocket torpedoes? So I think not thr same as 054A.
Actually do we know if 052D and 055 use these torpedoes?
 
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lcloo

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056A is too small for YU-8 rocket torpedo, but their large numbers enable them to cover the whole coastlines of China, where the shallow seas on the continental shelf is well suited to their operations.

The shallow seas are mostly 100m and less in depth, not favourable to enemy submarine to hide.
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Blitzo

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056A is too small for YU-8 rocket torpedo

Well, the Yu-8 is a vertically launched ASROC type weapon, and 056A is too small to practically have a VLS without making significant sacrifices elsewhere.


However, its slant launchers (i.e.: the same ones that fire YJ-83s) are capable of firing the air breathing cruise missile like ASW weapon, which given its size and its overall configuration should likely have longer range than the Yu-8.
 

Tam

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Does 056A has Yu-8 rocket torpedoes? So I think not thr same as 054A.
Actually do we know if 052D and 055 use these torpedoes?

Not Yu-8. Yu-11. It is launched from the YJ-83 slant canister.

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052D and 055 is not likely to use the Yu-11 in the form above as it is not VLS launched. Those VLS may potentially use the Yu-8 instead, although the VLS is well oversized for it. What I expect these ships to use is something similar to the Yu-11 in principle, but uses the cruise jet section from the YJ-18. It should be much like the above, but with a bigger booster for the VLS launch, and the bottom half would more like the YJ-18. The other half would be the light torpedo. The third option is to adapt the Yu-11 like this for VLS launch, using a more suitable solid fuel booster.
 
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Bhurki

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Picture from Jiangnan shipyard, 18 Sep'19.
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The circled bow under the shed could be the first clue for #26 052d.
The bow on the left is said to be have been for the #24, I'm a bit skeptical how could it be integrated to the ship and launched within 3 months?
 
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