052C/052D Class Destroyers

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mglcz

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Tam said:
Nah. PLAN fears the Virginia class submarines, which by the way there is already nearly 20 of them, way more than the Burkes, which is why it shifted all 056 production to the 056A ASW variant, and every 054A ship from the second batch on had better ASW capability. S. Korea adding Type 214s, Japan adding Soryus, both countries looking for their respective next generation SSK. Taiwan is working on a new SSK project. Every country in the SEA from Singapore to Indonesia to the Philippines are procuring new submarine or has serious plans to. In the meantime we don't hear much about PLAN submarine progress, although a picture of Type 039B, the Yuans with the curved sail, pop up here and there. So until PLAN is able to counter with the mass production of a new generation of submarines both AIP and nuclear, the other best counter is a large fleet of ASW surface vessels, frigates and corvettes.

Just to give you an idea, each Type 056A corvette has the same sonars, hull, TAS and VDS, along with torpedoes, as a 052D or 055. Likewise, each 054A has the same sonar sets as the other three ships.
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Yes, but it also has to catch up with amouth of VLS the US has.
 
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Tam

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mglcz said:
Yes, but it also has to catch up with amouth of VLS the US has.
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This is a bit too complex to just count the VLS.

PLAN has larger VLS that has more volume, allowing for larger missiles to be carried.
USN currently can quad pack their VLS with ESSM. Maybe the PLAN will get something similar in the future.
How do you count RAM, SeaRAM and HQ-10 launchers?
You also need to count slant missile launchers that can launch antiship missiles, including corvettes and FACs.
You also need to count submarines that can launch anti-ship and cruise missiles.
The amount of missiles the planes can throw.
The amount of missiles land based launchers can throw.
 
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Tam said:
This is a bit too complex to just count the VLS.

PLAN has larger VLS that has more volume, allowing for larger missiles to be carried.
USN currently can quad pack their VLS with ESSM. Maybe the PLAN will get something similar in the future.
How do you count RAM, SeaRAM and HQ-10 launchers?
You also need to count slant missile launchers that can launch antiship missiles, including corvettes and FACs.
You also need to count submarines that can launch anti-ship and cruise missiles.
The amount of missiles the planes can throw.
The amount of missiles land based launchers can throw.
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More importantly the logic behind the idea of "catching up" in terms of brute VLS numbers or VLS equivalents IMO is simplistic.

There's an opportunity cost to everything, and I think "catching up" VLS numbers is a dangerous metric to measure PLAN future procurement on.
 
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Best to improve actual capability than play the whose number is bigger game, AKA dick measuring.
 
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Tam

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Notably 156 Zibo is the first 052DL to enter service. The Sixth Destroyer Division doesn't have much 052D, only two previous to this.
 
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