052C/052D Class Destroyers

rhino123

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If China build 100 of the 052D($500 million each x100=$50Billion China can afford that given it has $4Trillion in Forex), would that be enough to change the balance of power in Pacific?

With 100 052D china can fit up the whole China Sea with these type of ships. Plus the surrounding Maritimes patrol ships and fishermen ships, they can overwhelm anybody anywhere in the South China sea when they bring in their oil drill rig.


This 052D is China's best ship and now put it into economy of scale and forces will be multiplied.

There's always some "magic" in astronomical numbers which will bring shock n awe in opponents. Like Soviet 's 10,000 nuke warheads, yeah, too much overkilled but that number will blow people away. Pyschological factor. But with China Russia being tie together now, I do hope they can sell 5000 of those to China cheap.

Have you take into consideration of the following,

1) Crew number, training, etc.
2) Missiles, ammunition cost
3) Maintanence cost
4) Fuel and other spare parts cost
5) Port facilities and other infrastructure cost
8) Helicopters and support aircraft cost
7) Other miscellaneous cost,

Yes, China is the second richest economic now. Do China want to spent all her money, infrastructure, etc, in weapon systems? And let me tell you, the cost of building one ship might not be high to a economic like China, the cost of maintaining a fleet of 100 Type 052D inclusive of other ships type like aircraft carriers, corvette, missiles boats, nuclear and conventional submarines, etc etc, is going to kill a country's economic, yes... even China's economic.
 

BigWang

Banned Idiot
Some of them would be in reserve and on standby status. Only 40 of them would active.

sell all those 050B,051, mings , songs...etc to other countries.

And Army would cut 1/2.
 

perfume

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Some of them would be in reserve and on standby status. Only 40 of them would active.

sell all those 050B,051, mings , songs...etc to other countries.

And Army would cut 1/2.

If China build 100 of the 052D($500 million each x100=$50Billion China can afford that given it has $4Trillion in Forex), would that be enough to change the balance of power in Pacific?

With 100 052D china can fit up the whole China Sea with these type of ships. Plus the surrounding Maritimes patrol ships and fishermen ships, they can overwhelm anybody anywhere in the South China sea when they bring in their oil drill rig.


This 052D is China's best ship and now put it into economy of scale and forces will be multiplied.

There's always some "magic" in astronomical numbers which will bring shock n awe in opponents. Like Soviet 's 10,000 nuke warheads, yeah, too much overkilled but that number will blow people away. Pyschological factor. But with China Russia being tie together now, I do hope they can sell 5000 of those to China cheap.

The reserves are there for a reason - to hedge against currency risk. Having huge foreign reserves is one of the reasons why China has absolute control over its own currency. Without going into details, it acts as a shield to protect the yuan against external influences - something economies such as India and Brazil cannot do (they experience inflation and detrimental currency fluctuation when for example, the Federal Reserve decides to engage in QE/Printing Money). The Chinese leadership have studied American financial 'warfare' for a long time, they know what they're doing.

I would also like to introduce you to the concept of compound interest. When you have money, invest in making more money, not spend as much as you can - this will lead to you having more money to spend in the longer term. The way to double spending from $150bn to $300bn on the military is not to raise spending from 1.5% to 3%, but to keep the 1.5% and double the economy.

America can buy 200 Burks if they wanted, but they don't, for the same reason - they spend enough according to their needs and national interest (which is very vast). Improving the livelihood of the people should come first - we should always aim to strike a balance.
 
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BigWang

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Building 100 052D will create a lot of jobs in the industry for people.

sell those old equipments and cut down on army to help to finance the projects,
 

nemo

Junior Member
If China build 100 of the 052D($500 million each x100=$50Billion China can afford that given it has $4Trillion in Forex), would that be enough to change the balance of power in Pacific?

Forex reserve cannot be spend like pure revenue -- it's there to back new RMB issued in exchange for that revenue. If you simply spend it, the effect is the same as just printing new money. This is like deposit into your bank account -- the bank cannot just spend your deposit on anything they like -- such as their bonus, because they need to hand back your money whenever you demand it. Forex reserve is just like that -- you cannot just spend it.

Forex have an additional problem -- it's what foreigners owe you. The only way it can be spend without causing extra inflation is by buying foreign product and services. If you buy domestic product and services using forex, you must buy back your own currency from foreigners, or place it in the forex reserve and issue new local currency in exchange (extra inflation).
 

nemo

Junior Member
Building 100 052D will create a lot of jobs in the industry for people.

sell those old equipments and cut down on army to help to finance the projects,

Get into your head that defense spending are overhead to the economy -- while some are necessary, too much is a waste. The collapse of Soviet Union should be illustrative. Every warship you build is less resources for essential services like school, health, etc.

Old military equipments are usually not worth anything other than scrap -- it had worked under harsh condition for decades. Refitting usually takes more efforts and cost then just getting a new ones. People retire old hardware because they are too hard/expensive to maintain for their military value. Chinese hardware already have a reputation of low tech -- what make you think obsolete low tech hardware is worth anything?
 

asif iqbal

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Building 100 052D will create a lot of jobs in the industry for people.

sell those old equipments and cut down on army to help to finance the projects,

Read forum rules no trolling your post has no value or any substance related to issue at hand

Try and make constructive posts
 

Blitzo

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Photos of the the CIC are interesting.

Looks like they aren't using 056s newer style consoles but also the CIC is a little bit bigger (wider?) than pictures of 170 and 171s CIC.

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tphuang

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If China build 100 of the 052D($500 million each x100=$50Billion China can afford that given it has $4Trillion in Forex), would that be enough to change the balance of power in Pacific?

With 100 052D china can fit up the whole China Sea with these type of ships. Plus the surrounding Maritimes patrol ships and fishermen ships, they can overwhelm anybody anywhere in the South China sea when they bring in their oil drill rig.


This 052D is China's best ship and now put it into economy of scale and forces will be multiplied.

There's always some "magic" in astronomical numbers which will bring shock n awe in opponents. Like Soviet 's 10,000 nuke warheads, yeah, too much overkilled but that number will blow people away. Pyschological factor. But with China Russia being tie together now, I do hope they can sell 5000 of those to China cheap.

Some of them would be in reserve and on standby status. Only 40 of them would active.

sell all those 050B,051, mings , songs...etc to other countries.

And Army would cut 1/2.

Please stop posting these nonsensical ideas. PLAN is already expanding at a very rapid pace. Please read up on all the area that need to be upgraded as part of modernization.
 

joshuatree

Captain
...Old military equipments are usually not worth anything other than scrap -- it had worked under harsh condition for decades. Refitting usually takes more efforts and cost then just getting a new ones. People retire old hardware because they are too hard/expensive to maintain for their military value. Chinese hardware already have a reputation of low tech -- what make you think obsolete low tech hardware is worth anything?

They can serve well as diplomatic soft power via refurbed donations to countries with lesser means such as Nicaragua or Cambodia. Hardly any costs in the big picture but buys plenty of goodwill.
 
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