Jura The idiot
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LOL what I've meant was 560 is more than 400 but never mind
052C/052D Class Destroyers
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I know what you were going for, but my point was your extra personnel count isn't necessarily going to waste.
Without expanding on what you mean, the single most logical assumption is that you are trying to imply some kind of correlation between the estimated total crew size of two 052Ds vs one 055 and compare their capabilities in that context as some sort of "crew/capability efficiency ratio" or something, perhaps on the basis of available VLS cells as the most obvious one.
What latenlazy is saying, and what I have been saying is that the "capability" side of the ratio is very much hard to measure for the two different scenarios and is far more difficult to judge than simply "number of VLS cells" or "displacement" or whatever.
This vision reflects perfectly the failure of the USN in laying out a sustainable long term plan for its ORBAT, and is exemplified by the USN's current struggle to find a suitable frigate class which the LCS in its current state is completely inadequate to fill. The USN was already top-heavy with its 9,000-10,000 ton cruisers and destroyers, and now people want to see the PLAN composed primarily of 10,000 to 12,000 ton behemoths, resulting in an even more extreme example of a top-heavy navy. There is a place for every class of ship in the PLAN from the 056/A to the 054A/B, to the 052C/D/E, all the way to the 055 and its future iterations. I also don't know why you think 64 cells is inadequate especially since most other navies have similar or less numbers of VL cells on similar-sized hulls, or why you think the 052D is somehow not "multirole". It has more than enough VL cells to perform AAW, ASW, and ASuW all at the same time. For example: 48x HHQ-9, 8x YJ-18, 8x CY-5 + ASW helo.
Kongo (9,500 tons): 96 VL cells
Arleigh Burke IIA (9,200 tons): 96 VL cells
Type 45 (8,500 tons): 48 VL cells
Type 052D (7,500 tons): 64 VL cells
Horizon (7,100 tons): 48 VL cells
Iver Huitfeldt (6,600 tons): 56 VL cells
Alvaro de Bazan (6,400 tons): 48 VL cells
FREMM (6,000 tons): 32 VL cells
Note that the Iver Huitfeldt's outsized VLS loadout is achieved using small 2x12 Mk56 launchers, and that the 052D's universal VL cells are significantly bigger than the Mk 41s and Sylvers that these ships use.
Jura The idiot
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later I realized I had given the crew size argument Today at 9:05 AM on the assumption which I didn't state, and which was:
the objective would be to minimize the cost of both
- acquiring the warships, and
- operating the warships over their service life;
) so I was probably wrong (in fact I don't know practically anything about the personnel structure of the Chinese Navy like drafted; enlisted; commissioned numbers/proportions/wages ... and I of course don't know the cost of Type 055
Surface combattants are used in TG/TF - submarines are solitary - their force is the number cohesion unlike the second, severals more small are more difficult to destroy as one big more efficient also, remains difficult to build many.
With VLS problems for reloading at sea necessary have an important silos number idealy at less 32, considering Navies fired in general 2 SAMs vs a AShM as the Burke do close Yemen.
055 want about 800 millions to 1 billion maximum
With VLS problems for reloading at sea necessary have an important silos number idealy at less 32, considering Navies fired in general 2 SAMs vs a AShM as the Burke do close Yemen.
055 want about 800 millions to 1 billion maximum
Well but u compare combattants which not in the same category
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Hendrik_2000
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The ninth ship Nanjing
The proportions of the APARS to the superstructure seems a bit off. Also, the main gun is a 100mm. This seems to be a design derived from the 052C as opposed to the 052D, which would suggest that it's an older export-oriented design drawn up before the 052D was designed.
I listed all the ships which were within about 2,000 tons of the 052D. They all are multirole, even the Type 45 which can carry 2 Lynx helos for ASW.Well but u compare combattants which not in the same category
IMO this is a poorly designed fanboi's fantasy. It's got way too many VL cells that are poorly proportioned in size. The chaff/flare launchers are restricted in their firing arcs to the rear, the AESA is way too small, and the placement of the aft life raft containers on the helipad is just totally ridiculous.So apparently their are rumors of a Type 052E, can anyone confirm this?
(Maybe the E is "E" as in for "export"?