052/052B Class Destroyers
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Skywatcher
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
If they have both hot and cold launch on the 172 (a very BIG if), the cold launcher could be for larger and heavier missiles like AShMs and LACMs.
If they have both hot and cold launch on the 172 (a very BIG if), the cold launcher could be for larger and heavier missiles like AShMs and LACMs.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Sh_t! I totally missed the label on the top right.
Sorry, Deleting the pics.
Sh_t! I totally missed the label on the top right.
Sorry, Deleting the pics.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
I had similar thought. Though if they were trialing the hot launch system wouldn't it be better if they trial with the smaller back side and use the front for cold launch?
Or maybe they use similar dimensions to the system on type o54 frigate (maybe longer).
If that is the case they might decide to do away with the back launchers and the next class of DDG will have a larger front launchers with more VLS missiles. Or they might enlarge the ship in a way so that you have one at the front and another one of the same size at the back.
I had similar thought. Though if they were trialing the hot launch system wouldn't it be better if they trial with the smaller back side and use the front for cold launch?
Or maybe they use similar dimensions to the system on type o54 frigate (maybe longer).
If that is the case they might decide to do away with the back launchers and the next class of DDG will have a larger front launchers with more VLS missiles. Or they might enlarge the ship in a way so that you have one at the front and another one of the same size at the back.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
it's clear that this batch of 052C is not meant as a testbed. They are producing a few of them to fill the void that exists right now in PLAN's area air defense.
It took them until this year to be able to produce UGT25000 with their own equipments. Part of the delay was due to the problems they had in producing the engine locally. Using 4 UGT-25000 would require a new hull and also a change in PLAN's philosophy. I think PLAN is still learning to accept the much lower fuel efficiency that comes with COGAG. If they do intend to build something in the 10,000 ton range, they will have to go with COGAG, but they are still working on that design I presume. With this second batch of 052C, it's clear that what they intend to put on the next generation of destroyers is not ready yet.
again, you can put the launchers from LACM in the location where YJ-62 is right now. They have already done testing with that. Cruise missiles do not have to be launched via VLS.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Re: DDG 052C Thread
There are many possible ways they could have increased the vls numbers, such as they already suggested rotory launchers in the back and hot launch box launchers in the front. Depending on the internal structure and how much they want to retain long range AShMs, they could theoretically also got ride of the yj62s and put some hot launch cells here.
But those are all just pure speculation, and not all that likely given what we know of the PLAN so far.
Lets just all be a little patient and hold off on the 'what ifs', and just focus on what we can see and know for sure?
There are many possible ways they could have increased the vls numbers, such as they already suggested rotory launchers in the back and hot launch box launchers in the front. Depending on the internal structure and how much they want to retain long range AShMs, they could theoretically also got ride of the yj62s and put some hot launch cells here.
But those are all just pure speculation, and not all that likely given what we know of the PLAN so far.
Lets just all be a little patient and hold off on the 'what ifs', and just focus on what we can see and know for sure?
Re: DDG 052C Thread
this is actually one of the better photo sets I have seen recently. The next 3 pictures show the 4 052C currently under construction in JiangNan at different stages. Just from looking at where they are, I would not be shocked if all 4 are launched by sometimes in the second half of next year.
In the first photo, you can see the first one of this series still in the process of getting launched on the right side. The one on the left side is the second one of this series and does not look that far behind.
Of course, I'm not 100% sure these are 052Cs. So, I'd have to trust the picture taker for the next 2.
These blocks are apparently the 3rd one of this series
And these two blocks are the 4th one of this series
this is actually one of the better photo sets I have seen recently. The next 3 pictures show the 4 052C currently under construction in JiangNan at different stages. Just from looking at where they are, I would not be shocked if all 4 are launched by sometimes in the second half of next year.
In the first photo, you can see the first one of this series still in the process of getting launched on the right side. The one on the left side is the second one of this series and does not look that far behind.
Of course, I'm not 100% sure these are 052Cs. So, I'd have to trust the picture taker for the next 2.
These blocks are apparently the 3rd one of this series
And these two blocks are the 4th one of this series
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
Besides all the above, these are structures of a new "thing" at Changxin Jiangnan.
What is it?
Besides all the above, these are structures of a new "thing" at Changxin Jiangnan.
What is it?
sealordlawrence
Junior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Tphuang,
As always, thank you for posting those pictures. This leaves two very interesting questions, what happens to DDG construction after these two 4 units (do we see a new class) and what will happen in Dalian with regards to DDG construction. If the earlier reports in this thread are true that 2 of these vessels are destined for the South Sea Fleet and two for the East Sea Fleet that will leave the North Sea Fleet comparatively deficient in DDGs- perhaps we will see an 051D, or maybe Dalian will begin 052C construction.
An interesting point; in the last decade the Chinese Navy built more major surface combattants (FFG/DDG) than the UK Royal Navy is planning on having in its entire fleet following its latest SDSR. The China navy has built 12 054/054A, 2 051C, 2 052B, 6 052C, 2 053H3 and there may be another pair of 054A now under construction for a total of 26 compared with the Royal Navy's 19 total fleet size.
Caohongwei,
Based on previous experience with large 'things' appearing in Chinese shipyards it is almost certainly a large civilian vessel of some sort with no military purpose.
Tphuang,
As always, thank you for posting those pictures. This leaves two very interesting questions, what happens to DDG construction after these two 4 units (do we see a new class) and what will happen in Dalian with regards to DDG construction. If the earlier reports in this thread are true that 2 of these vessels are destined for the South Sea Fleet and two for the East Sea Fleet that will leave the North Sea Fleet comparatively deficient in DDGs- perhaps we will see an 051D, or maybe Dalian will begin 052C construction.
An interesting point; in the last decade the Chinese Navy built more major surface combattants (FFG/DDG) than the UK Royal Navy is planning on having in its entire fleet following its latest SDSR. The China navy has built 12 054/054A, 2 051C, 2 052B, 6 052C, 2 053H3 and there may be another pair of 054A now under construction for a total of 26 compared with the Royal Navy's 19 total fleet size.
Caohongwei,
Based on previous experience with large 'things' appearing in Chinese shipyards it is almost certainly a large civilian vessel of some sort with no military purpose.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Wrt to the pictures supposed to show the 3rd and 4th ddg, they appear to be off the same location. The large ship in the forground is the same, the positioning of the crans and other dock infrastructer etc. It seems to be that its two shots of the same place at different times.
Now, that could be blocks for two ddgs, but what's stopping that being just shots of the same ddg at different times?
Wrt to the pictures supposed to show the 3rd and 4th ddg, they appear to be off the same location. The large ship in the forground is the same, the positioning of the crans and other dock infrastructer etc. It seems to be that its two shots of the same place at different times.
Now, that could be blocks for two ddgs, but what's stopping that being just shots of the same ddg at different times?