052/052B Class Destroyers
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
Ah well if this new ship is identical to 052C it'll still be a welcome boost to the PLAN. It's a modern, capable air defense destroyer that can knock it up with the best of them -- it just doesn't have the flexibility or missile load of ships like AB and such.
Hopefully the next wholly new designed destroyer/052D will be more groundbreaking.
Ah well if this new ship is identical to 052C it'll still be a welcome boost to the PLAN. It's a modern, capable air defense destroyer that can knock it up with the best of them -- it just doesn't have the flexibility or missile load of ships like AB and such.
Hopefully the next wholly new designed destroyer/052D will be more groundbreaking.
joshuatree
Captain
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Agreed, nothing failed here. It's one more modern destroyer for PLAN. I'm wondering if the time gap between the first pair and the current builds have anything to do with the license build of the engines, if they were doing long term evals on the first pair before serial production, or merely waiting for the Varyag to advance further in construction?
Agreed, nothing failed here. It's one more modern destroyer for PLAN. I'm wondering if the time gap between the first pair and the current builds have anything to do with the license build of the engines, if they were doing long term evals on the first pair before serial production, or merely waiting for the Varyag to advance further in construction?
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Huitong's site says this one is 900 tons heavier.
Huitong's site says this one is 900 tons heavier.
sealordlawrence
Junior Member
Re: DDG 052C Thread
How? The Chinese Navy is in the process of doubling its fleet of what is its most powerful surface combattant. Whilst it is true that it is no Arleigh Burke its procurement represents another major step forward for the China Navy. It also means that that the first two of the class have been regarded as a success.
If the rumors are true there will be another 2 units and based on standard Chinese practice those ships could see some more dramatic changes. Furthermore we are likely to see another pair of DDG's appear in Dalian before too much longer, again based on the usual Chinese pattern.
Fail.
How? The Chinese Navy is in the process of doubling its fleet of what is its most powerful surface combattant. Whilst it is true that it is no Arleigh Burke its procurement represents another major step forward for the China Navy. It also means that that the first two of the class have been regarded as a success.
If the rumors are true there will be another 2 units and based on standard Chinese practice those ships could see some more dramatic changes. Furthermore we are likely to see another pair of DDG's appear in Dalian before too much longer, again based on the usual Chinese pattern.
MwRYum
Major
Re: DDG 052C Thread
It's said to be a disappointment because if this is indeed stick with HQ-9, that means something wrong with the hot-launch HQ-16, and PLAN can't standardize their SAM systems. Also because the HQ-16 VLS system is a platform that's more space-efficient than the HQ-9, better candidate for modular loadout than the HQ-9 system...just look at the HQ-9 cells, for the same space, HQ-16's VLS system can better utilize the space, increase the payload capacity. Just compare with other first-line DDGs in the world, China's 052C lack behind in firepower due to its inferior payload capacity.
Obviously the HQ-9's launch system design is a deadend and the HQ-16, MK-41 inspired VLS system has better potential and for good reasons adopted by many of the world's navies.
It's said to be a disappointment because if this is indeed stick with HQ-9, that means something wrong with the hot-launch HQ-16, and PLAN can't standardize their SAM systems. Also because the HQ-16 VLS system is a platform that's more space-efficient than the HQ-9, better candidate for modular loadout than the HQ-9 system...just look at the HQ-9 cells, for the same space, HQ-16's VLS system can better utilize the space, increase the payload capacity. Just compare with other first-line DDGs in the world, China's 052C lack behind in firepower due to its inferior payload capacity.
Obviously the HQ-9's launch system design is a deadend and the HQ-16, MK-41 inspired VLS system has better potential and for good reasons adopted by many of the world's navies.
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maozedong
Banned Idiot
Re: DDG 052C Thread
052C standard displacement is 5840ton.
5840ton + 900ton = 6740ton, that's possible, but we need more info to confirm,such as the length and beam of the ship. if the ship is heavier, she should carry more HQ-9, let's wait to see.
yes, I think the new ship gets much internal up grade that we don't know, shch as some electronic systems. at least that prove QC280 torbine engine and Aegis airdefence system are mature.
maby PLAN build 4 more 052C or C+.
052C standard displacement is 5840ton.
5840ton + 900ton = 6740ton, that's possible, but we need more info to confirm,such as the length and beam of the ship. if the ship is heavier, she should carry more HQ-9, let's wait to see.
yes, I think the new ship gets much internal up grade that we don't know, shch as some electronic systems. at least that prove QC280 torbine engine and Aegis airdefence system are mature.
maby PLAN build 4 more 052C or C+.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
I personally doubt the HQ-16s launcher can actually fit anything else apart from HQ-16 (maybe a chinese ASROC type missile from rumors), so it's not completely dissapointing for PLAN to adopt a proven mechanism before they wait for a more modular, more capable system (which I am sure must be under development). We'll just have to wait a bit longer.
How does the use of the HQ-9 circular launcher mean there is something wrong with the HQ-16 (or it's launcher, if the question is implied)? HQ-9 currently has a far superior range to the HQ-16 and the adoption of a destroyer with only HQ-9 shows the PLAN is more interested in getting vessels with good long range air defense.
I personally doubt the HQ-16s launcher can actually fit anything else apart from HQ-16 (maybe a chinese ASROC type missile from rumors), so it's not completely dissapointing for PLAN to adopt a proven mechanism before they wait for a more modular, more capable system (which I am sure must be under development). We'll just have to wait a bit longer.