052/052B Class Destroyers

Re: DDG 052C Thread

AssassinsMace said:

Posted by Xinhui over at CDF. Possible 052D.

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This picture reminds me of this:




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I may be wrong on this but anyway the look is pretty similar to me.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

mehdi said:

This picture reminds me of this:

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Check the link,

I may be wrong on this but anyway the look is pretty similar to me.

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You are wrong. China wont built a copy of a soviet ship for its new destroyer. Besides, petr velikiy is a battlecruiser not a destroyer. China has no need of such a ship. They are heading the way of aircraft carriers, not super-SSM arsenals.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

For 052C, there are many reasons for the delay. The technological leap from 051B to 052B to 052C was too big, they had to do a lot of testing on it to get all the problems fixed. After 5 years, it's probably all sorterd out now. All the original design flaws have probably been identified and they've had time to improve their combat system for it to perform AD role better. After that wa done, they also had the issue of JN shipyard being moved down stream to ChangXing island. On top of that, they had the entire engine issue where QC-280 had production issues. I think that's finally sorted out, so I think we will see a huge destroyer boom coming off the line at JN in the next few years like what we have seen with 054A.

051C was built because Dalian needs work and they needed a safe stable design while the more revolutionary 052C was being built. They imported S-300 because it's a proven system already in service with PLAN.

054A can't replace 052C. They have different roles.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

How much would the 052D displace and how many VLS tubes would it have? Perhaps 9,000 to 10,000 tons displacement with 96 HHQ-9s?

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Skywatcher said:

How much would the 052D displace and how many VLS tubes would it have? Perhaps 9,000 to 10,000 tons displacement with 96 HHQ-9s?

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Would be nice if they could add some DH-10s and a common VLS like the arleigh burke -- how difficult would it be to modify DH-10 missiles to fire from warships or submarines? (basically acting like a Sino-tomahawk)

I'd feel that anything below the basic capabilities of an Arleigh Burke flight IIA would be dissapointing espicially as they've now had so much time to refine and develop their design, not to mention studying what they rest of the world's been building in the mean time.
Other countries are ramping up their destroyers too, US, India, Korea etc. (Apparently an AB class flight III is on the way with a displacement of over 10,000 tons and having a shipborne AESA -- with SM-6 and potential AGS, the math isn't too hard to do)

Re: DDG 052C Thread

I think the word is that they are first going to build a few destroyers that are going to be immediate followups to 052C. Not sure if that counts as 052D. So, the ones on dry dock right now should be that. Yes, I do believe multiple are under construction if we go by prior history of JN and destroyers. Afterward, we should see a new destroyer design that will probably be significantly larger.

I think the one under construction right now is a refined version. Probably with more VLS cells and upgraded guns and sensors, but we will see.

I don't speculate on chinese military magazine CGs. We would only know once it takes shape.

As for LACM, I believe the word is that they've already test launched from LACM. We've seen some pictures of 052C sailing off with green launcher tube where YJ-62 normally are. That launcher is supposedly holding LACM. I have not seen any evidence of a common VLS that can launch LACM yet.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Another reason for the long delay may well be the issue of the VLS.

The PLAN currently has both a cold launch and a hot launch system in place, and they have had plenty of time to assess the performance of both.

With the huge 054A order and the 052C and 051C not ordered beyond the first batch of 2 each, one could take that as an indication that the PLAN has already made its choice with a square hot launch VLS in line with US and european choices.

They would likely have spend the time since the 052C were launched to develop a comprehensive VLS standard similar to the US Mk41. If that was the case, then VLC DH10/YJ62 would almost certainly be on the cards, although it will be interesting to see if they develop a hot launch VLS for the HHQ9, or enhance the HQ16, as the US has done with their Standard missiles to make it match the HHQ9 in range and performance.

This is all speculation at the moment, and that is why many are watching the 052D with such interest, as it will either validate these theories or present us with evidence of something else depending of what the choice of VLS for them will be.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

This is being put forward as a new 52C. Does anyone know anything about it?

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Can't see photos from my mobile app, but if it's the same photo I saw this morning, then it should be from the same location where we got our first set of the photos for the new DDGs.

The bridge section looked to be more complete than it did a month and half ago.

The poster is pretty legit, so should be real.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

It would be nice to have some higher quality photos, at the moment all we can see is a large silhouette that is suggestive of a warship in its outline. Assuming that it is a DDG it does not show any details of the (potential) systems or armament.

If this is a new DDG then what is really impressive is how many shipbuilding programmes the PLAN is running simultaneously, we have the new 071, Yuan B, 054A, the work on Varyag and this. Except for the USN it is difficult to find another navy undertaking such a comprehensive programme and with such speed.