052/052B Class Destroyers
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AssassinsMace
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
Posted by Xinhui over at CDF. Possible 052D.
Posted by Xinhui over at CDF. Possible 052D.
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
Perhabs i am missing something, but judging by the pictures, how do we know that this is a military ship? and why 052D?
Perhabs i am missing something, but judging by the pictures, how do we know that this is a military ship? and why 052D?
Re: DDG 052C Thread
still very hard to tell, but new DDG pictures. At least it's claimed to be so. Need to wait for more clear photos to come out.
Also, we saw pictures of new submarine also getting built in JiangNan shipyard, but that's even harder to tell than these photos.
still very hard to tell, but new DDG pictures. At least it's claimed to be so. Need to wait for more clear photos to come out.
Also, we saw pictures of new submarine also getting built in JiangNan shipyard, but that's even harder to tell than these photos.
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.sealordlawrence
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
Has there been any update on these new hulls?
Has there been any update on these new hulls?
Re: DDG 052C Thread
I have not seen any more recent photos of 052D, but they do come out every few weeks or so. The problem is that they still have several months to go, so there is not much you can see in them right now other than that they are still making progress.
I have not seen any more recent photos of 052D, but they do come out every few weeks or so. The problem is that they still have several months to go, so there is not much you can see in them right now other than that they are still making progress.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Looking better at the pictures, that bow is unlike any in PLAN combat ships. Note that white line at the upper part? it encompasses all the bow, and above it the bow is straight instead of declined, similar to many civilian ships. Its a small detail, but it may tell us something.
Looking better at the pictures, that bow is unlike any in PLAN combat ships. Note that white line at the upper part? it encompasses all the bow, and above it the bow is straight instead of declined, similar to many civilian ships. Its a small detail, but it may tell us something.
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
Its been almost 8 years since the 052C AAW destroyers 170 and 171 were launched and out-fitted, without any successors being built, that's a long time, even for a navy as cautious as the PLAN.
They represented a remarkable demonstration of modernization for the PLAN and for China's shipbuilding capabilities.
We all know that the 052B multi-purpose destroyers 168 and 169 were basically intended as more-advanced Chinese-built versions of the Soviet-era Sovremmeny class DDGs, sharing many Russian built and supplied systems and therefore were unlikely to be built in quantity - except maybe in an emergency over Taiwan.
One could argue that they were built mainly for practice and experience before attempting to build the 052C's.
If we take the PLAN's experience with the 039 Song class SSK as an example, the PLAN, before it begins mass-production of a new class of warship likes to iron out all the kinks - in the case of the 039's successor, that took about 8 to 10 years (please correct me if I am wrong) for the improved 039G's and 039A's to be built - but at least they were built.
Now that they are approaching nearly a decade of operational experience with the 052C class, what do you expect the PLAN to do?
Will they start to produce and improved version or will they make an entirely new warship?
The launch of the new 051C AAW class destroyer complicates this picture as they seem to constitute a step backwards in design and capabilities, - why would the PLAN spend the time and resources to build an inferior ship when they can already build one that is clearly superior?
The only modern ocean-going warship the PLAN is producing in quantity is the 054A class FFG.
Is the reason for the dearth of newer destroyers that the PLAN is so pleased with the 054A series that it is willing to wait a longer time for better and cheaper designs?
Did the 054A kill the upgrades to the 052's?
Why did they build the awkward 051C's in the first place?
Is it a need to place an S-300 analogue at sea to provide air defence in a Taiwan scenario?
Maybe the surface-warfare faction has less priority than the submarine faction within the PLAN, as the Yuan's now seem to be beginning their mass-production.
Your comments and analysis are very welcome.
Its been almost 8 years since the 052C AAW destroyers 170 and 171 were launched and out-fitted, without any successors being built, that's a long time, even for a navy as cautious as the PLAN.
They represented a remarkable demonstration of modernization for the PLAN and for China's shipbuilding capabilities.
We all know that the 052B multi-purpose destroyers 168 and 169 were basically intended as more-advanced Chinese-built versions of the Soviet-era Sovremmeny class DDGs, sharing many Russian built and supplied systems and therefore were unlikely to be built in quantity - except maybe in an emergency over Taiwan.
One could argue that they were built mainly for practice and experience before attempting to build the 052C's.
If we take the PLAN's experience with the 039 Song class SSK as an example, the PLAN, before it begins mass-production of a new class of warship likes to iron out all the kinks - in the case of the 039's successor, that took about 8 to 10 years (please correct me if I am wrong) for the improved 039G's and 039A's to be built - but at least they were built.
Now that they are approaching nearly a decade of operational experience with the 052C class, what do you expect the PLAN to do?
Will they start to produce and improved version or will they make an entirely new warship?
The launch of the new 051C AAW class destroyer complicates this picture as they seem to constitute a step backwards in design and capabilities, - why would the PLAN spend the time and resources to build an inferior ship when they can already build one that is clearly superior?
The only modern ocean-going warship the PLAN is producing in quantity is the 054A class FFG.
Is the reason for the dearth of newer destroyers that the PLAN is so pleased with the 054A series that it is willing to wait a longer time for better and cheaper designs?
Did the 054A kill the upgrades to the 052's?
Why did they build the awkward 051C's in the first place?
Is it a need to place an S-300 analogue at sea to provide air defence in a Taiwan scenario?
Maybe the surface-warfare faction has less priority than the submarine faction within the PLAN, as the Yuan's now seem to be beginning their mass-production.
Your comments and analysis are very welcome.