052/052B Class Destroyers
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
I think it's PLA thing where they always want to finish testing the naval sam on a neutral platform first, before fielding them. The SAMs must achieve satisifactory results before they become available for ships. Later on, the ships can then be designed to accomodate the air defence systems. In fact, the testing for HH-16 apparently finished in 2004.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Yeah, I was thinking something along the same lines. Or maybe the hull wasn't ready in time before the systems were ready for test. I knew there was some rationale behind it.
Yeah, I was thinking something along the same lines. Or maybe the hull wasn't ready in time before the systems were ready for test. I knew there was some rationale behind it.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
this is kind of interesting, a dual between 170 and 171.
if I got this correctly,
170 shot 1 missile at 171 which scored a soft kill on the missile
171 shot 2 missiles at 170 which missed 170 due to ECM again
171 shot 2 more missiles at 170, which got destroyed by the CIWS.
this is kind of interesting, a dual between 170 and 171.
Lanzhou (170) was the red and haikou (171) was blue
if I got this correctly,
170 shot 1 missile at 171 which scored a soft kill on the missile
171 shot 2 missiles at 170 which missed 170 due to ECM again
171 shot 2 more missiles at 170, which got destroyed by the CIWS.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Emm.. Not really,
170 shot 4 missiles at 171 which scored a hit on the decoy due to "effective interference" (which could means either jamming or chaff)
171 shot 2 missiles at 170 (which comes from difference directions ) 170 turned to starboard and portside empolyed chaff with twice the Radar signature. Both missiles missed.
171 shot another 2 missiles at 170, the captain give the order "Attention Auxiliary Gun, target starborad side **degrees, height **, counter attack" ( I think this is completely BS, probably a stupid journalist who does not know much about military trying to make the story more dramatic. Isn't CIWS autonomous??) CIWS destoryed incoming missiles.
This whole story seems kinda made up. Correct me if I am wrong, I don't think PLAN will shoot real missiles at each other, even training rounds. However, the source says that this article comes from PLA Daily, so ... make your own judgment.
This seems like a classic case of Shield and Spear scenario. If you are selling both shield and spear, you probably shouldn't try to test them on each other.
Emm.. Not really,
170 shot 4 missiles at 171 which scored a hit on the decoy due to "effective interference" (which could means either jamming or chaff)
171 shot 2 missiles at 170 (which comes from difference directions ) 170 turned to starboard and portside empolyed chaff with twice the Radar signature. Both missiles missed.
171 shot another 2 missiles at 170, the captain give the order "Attention Auxiliary Gun, target starborad side **degrees, height **, counter attack" ( I think this is completely BS, probably a stupid journalist who does not know much about military trying to make the story more dramatic. Isn't CIWS autonomous??) CIWS destoryed incoming missiles.
This whole story seems kinda made up. Correct me if I am wrong, I don't think PLAN will shoot real missiles at each other, even training rounds. However, the source says that this article comes from PLA Daily, so ... make your own judgment.
This seems like a classic case of Shield and Spear scenario. If you are selling both shield and spear, you probably shouldn't try to test them on each other.
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Re: DDG 052C Thread
When we practiced standart infantry combat manevrues, we were told to shout "fire" or "rapid fire" to simulate the firing...
...what this article describes is a PLAN normal training rutine done by using simulation...
When we practiced standart infantry combat manevrues, we were told to shout "fire" or "rapid fire" to simulate the firing...
...what this article describes is a PLAN normal training rutine done by using simulation...
Re: DDG 052C Thread
That's my whole point. There is vivid descriptions of how "missiles with fire blowing out the tail end rushing towards the target.." and how CIWS " weaved a web of fire in the sky shooting down incoming missiles..." etc...
My first thought is the same with you that this is probably just s simulation, which is why I say the article is of a typical Chinese writter trying to be dramatic...
However, one this worth noting, which I bolded in my last reply, is that it seems to have confirm that YJ-62 may indeed have multi-axises or at least bi-axises attack capability.
That's my whole point. There is vivid descriptions of how "missiles with fire blowing out the tail end rushing towards the target.." and how CIWS " weaved a web of fire in the sky shooting down incoming missiles..." etc...
My first thought is the same with you that this is probably just s simulation, which is why I say the article is of a typical Chinese writter trying to be dramatic...
However, one this worth noting, which I bolded in my last reply, is that it seems to have confirm that YJ-62 may indeed have multi-axises or at least bi-axises attack capability.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
As for using the missile, well, none of us expect China to use real missiles. As for whether they are using training missiles, who knows. But we do get a reading into a typical PLAN exercise.
so basically, other than mistaking 4 for 1 (which I was translating in a hurry before work on Monday), I was right.
As for using the missile, well, none of us expect China to use real missiles. As for whether they are using training missiles, who knows. But we do get a reading into a typical PLAN exercise.
Re: DDG 052C Thread
Do they actually have training missiles? The use cold missiles for certain tests, but its just a missile without a live warhead. you would never fire a missile, live or not, at one of your own vessels. The kinetic energy alone would wreck massive damage. And even if there was some system for avoiding a direct hit, a malfunction would mean disaster. I`ve seen training torpedoes, and the main point of them is that you can salvage them afterwards. They also have low speed and cannot inflict serious damage.
This has to be a simulation.
Do they actually have training missiles? The use cold missiles for certain tests, but its just a missile without a live warhead. you would never fire a missile, live or not, at one of your own vessels. The kinetic energy alone would wreck massive damage. And even if there was some system for avoiding a direct hit, a malfunction would mean disaster. I`ve seen training torpedoes, and the main point of them is that you can salvage them afterwards. They also have low speed and cannot inflict serious damage.
This has to be a simulation.