052/052B Class Destroyers

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Jura said:

Are those maneuvers preprogrammed, or "random" as described in http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/plan-type-052-class-destroyer-256-5571.html#post269073
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I mean if the missile can pseudorandomly choose from, let's say, three to seven turns, each from let's say, 10 to 30 degrees, and then hit the target?

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Google "Random Number Generator," and then apply that to programming evasive maneuvers.

All of this is programmed onboard into the missile, so that at a certain time, or other conditions recognized by the sensors/timers/equipment on the missile, the missile can then use a random number generator type program to select from any number of different evasive maneuvers suitable for the conditions it finds itself in.

One of the nice things about data linking missiles, like the Tactical Tomahawk, is that in addition to such programming, which is still limited by its very nature, you can have off board commands to abort an attack, attack a different target (which can also be programmed), or to loiter and do BDA, etc.., etc.. Of course this holds only as long as the communication channel is open, otherwise the missile reverts back to its onboard programming.

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Jeff Head said:

Google "Random Number Generator," and then apply that to programming evasive maneuvers.

All of this is programmed onboard into the missile, so that at a certain time, or other conditions recognized by the sensors/timers/equipment on the missile, the missile can then use a random number generator type program to select from any number of different evasive maneuvers suitable for the conditions it finds itself in.

One of he nice things about data linking missiles, like the Tactical Tomahawk, is that in addition to such programming, which is still limited by its very nature, you can off board commands to abort an attack, attack a different target (which can also be programmed), or to loiter and do BDA, etc.., etc.. Of course this holds only as long as the communication channel is open, otherwise the missile reverts back to its onboard programming.

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Thank you, Jeff, this is the type of response I truly like, as it not only answers my question but gives me an opportunity to get to know other stuff, and doesn't make a fool out of me because I asked something I should've known since I'm following this thread (but don't worry, fool would be OK with me!

I'd like to ask something (remotely) related; I've read about the Otomat AShM and how its "explosive blast is focused downward, attempting to blast a hole in the ship bottom sinking rather than just damaging the vessel" (this part comes from ) so I wonder what's "better tactics", if to wreak havoc with the superstructure, or go inside, of a targeted ship; or maybe this doesn't matter as all new vessels are unarmored and would be finished either way??

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

It counts as random if the enemy can not predict it based on past observation of the same type of missile in a similar position.

New 052C/D pictures

052-C5, DDG-152



052-C6 with 052-D2



052-D3



052-D4



052-D5 or D6?

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

A.Man said:

052-C5, DDG-152

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Note the main mast, the type 517m and the HQ-10, all on the ground there. I wonder if they are for D4, because D3 already has its main mast. But the yagi and the HQ-10 could be for D3

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Guys this appeared in a Czech newspaper today, I immediately found the source: Please, it's not my opinions in it ... and I apologize for posting this in the Luhu-class thread (I try follow only a small part of the SDF, carefully though) ... but what do you think?

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Jura said:

Guys this appeared in a Czech newspaper today, I immediately found the source:

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Please, it's not my opinions in it ... and I apologize for posting this in the Luhu-class thread (I try follow only a small part of the SDF, carefully though) ... but what do you think?

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You should probably post this in general discussion.

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Jura said:

Guys this appeared in a Czech newspaper today, I immediately found the source:

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Please, it's not my opinions in it ... and I apologize for posting this in the Luhu-class thread (I try follow only a small part of the SDF, carefully though) ... but what do you think?

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No different than the US military worries about obesity in kids these days. I think the Pentagon called the widespread overweight in American children's a national security threat. Or Singapore and Taiwan worried about the eyesight of their recruits because kids these days spend so much time in front of the computer

Back on topic. What's up with 152 Jinan ? She has her pennant number painted meaning that she will soon join the fleet, but at the same time has a lot of scaffolding around her.

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

According to someone at PDF, the reason why the long delay in the first 2 ships of the improved 052C (no's 150 & 151) class joining the fleet, was apparently due to there being some problems with the diesel engines, which showed up during trials.
Supposedly, the problem has been sorted, and the next 2 ships (no's 152 & 153) should join the fleet on schedule.
Is this information correct?...........and if so it would explain the long delay in the commissioning of the vessels into the fleet!

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

steve_rolfe said:

According to someone at CDF, the reason why the long delay in the first 2 ships of the improved 052C (no's 150 & 151) class joining the fleet, was apparently due to there being some problems with the diesel engines, which showed up during trials.
Supposedly, the problem has been sorted, and the next 2 ships (no's 152 & 153) should join the fleet on schedule.
Is this information correct?...........and if so it would explain the long delay in the commissioning of the vessels into the fleet!

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Where on CDF did you see that? Link?

But it isn't surprising that there were some issues with the first few ships of the second 052C batch, they did use indigenous engines which would need to have the kinks removed. It is however strange if it were the diesels which was the reason, I thought using the indigenous QC-280s would have proven to be more problematic


I suppose we'll see how fast 152 and 153 get commissioned. Certainly 152 already has its pennant number so it can't be long now.