052/052B Class Destroyers

weig2000

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Yes, and as they do this more and more...like the Type 054As in the Med, and the Anti-piracy missions, and the exercises in the Pacific, it will become more and more obvious to anyone watching that they have developed their "blue water" capability.

I'd like to see one the new Type 093 SSNs accompanying some of these task forces...particularly later as the carrier and its group ranges further from the mainland.

With PLAN commissioning so many ships now and in the near future, there is an acute need for experienced captains and officers and sailors to man the new ships. These exercises farther away from home base also serve as training and certifying process for the new corp.
 

MwRYum

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

I'd like to see one the new Type 093 SSNs accompanying some of these task forces...particularly later as the carrier and its group ranges further from the mainland.

They might be doing that already, but given the level of secrecy the PLAN placed over their nuclear sub fleets, we won't know for sure unless either they "leak" some news or the USN/JMSDF blabber about it.
 

asif iqbal

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They might be doing that already, but given the level of secrecy the PLAN placed over their nuclear sub fleets, we won't know for sure unless either they "leak" some news or the USN/JMSDF blabber about it.

Don't think it's any big secret we more Chinese SSN and even SSBN than any other navy, try finding the Royal Navy Vanguard Class on Google

Chinese navy has always had two missing components in such task groups the lack of naval helicopters which has gotten better in recent years and the lack of a submarine

There is no other way to screen below the waves other than using a hunger killer and it's very important China starts using them with not only carrier escorts but also for escorts such as these

As a matter of fact submarines have been used in anti-piracy misisons, nowadays they have roles such a eavesdropping, signal intelligence, gathering data and deploying special forces

China should expand its scope of submarines operations
 

asif iqbal

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Looking at this:



I wonder what's the turning radius of a modern destroyer (at high speed)? I thought this was a FAQ so used google, found just this amazing video :)
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Fast acceleration and a tight turning cicrle are two key defences against incoming anti ship missiles

Turning away and avoiding a side on hit by a Argentinian Exocet missile saved HMS Glamorgan during the Falklands wars in 1982 which is why the Type 45 DDG was designed with a very good manoeuvrability

Good stealth, good manoeuvring, close in weapons system, flare shaft now we are using a full spectrum of capabilitys to avoid anti ship missiles, small things add up and could be enough to save the day and even win the war
 
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Fast acceleration and a tight turning cicrle are two key defences against incoming anti ship missiles

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This video
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says Russian "light" AShM X-35 could only be detected "at about 6 or 7" kilometers from the target; let's make it 7000 m; missile's speed is 0.8 M; 7000/272=26 seconds to impact ...
 

Jeff Head

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This video
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says Russian "light" AShM X-35 could only be detected "at about 6 or 7" kilometers from the target; let's make it 7000 m; missile's speed is 0.8 M; 7000/272=26 seconds to impact ...
Depends on what is looking for the incoming missile.

If it is a firgate with only its own sensors and the incoming missile is ski-skimming, this may be true.

However, there are also good AEW assets, both helicopters and aircraft that would raise the horizon significantly and carry the sensors that could pick it up much further out. Also, larger vessels with their sensors up higher also extend the horizon and can also allow it to be discovered sooner.

Once they discover the incoming missile, and what attack profie it is using, the veseels (depending on their capablitiy) will begin using electonic and decoy measures to soft kill the weapon if they can, and combine that with LR, MR, and SR anti-missiles (depending on how far out they detect the incoming threat and what defenses are available) and finally the CIWS guns. In addition, the manuevering of the ship can, as Asif says, make a significant difference too.

I have no doubt that there are conditions where the missile may not be discoverd until 6-7 kms out...but that will depend, as I said, on what sensors are looking for it. If a task force is caught napping...and sadly that does happen too...and they do not have their active and passive defensives working on defending the ships against this type of an attack...they may not discover it until even later.
 
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Once they discover the incoming missile, and what attack profie it is using, ...

Several years ago I read an article about the Dutch Goalkeeper CIWS, which mentioned the system was claimed to be effective against sea-skimming AShM randomly maneuvering toward the target ("randomly" would mean turning at varying angles in the horizontal plane, I guess) and at that time I didn't think about which AShM had this capability. Now I used google to find out and it seems the Penguin does: "... latest variants of Penguin can perform random weaving maneuvres at target approach ..."
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Do you know about some other AShM with this capability?
 
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Several years ago I read an article about the Dutch Goalkeeper CIWS, which mentioned the system was claimed to be effective against sea-skimming AShM randomly maneuvering toward the target ("randomly" would mean turning at varying angles in the horizontal plane, I guess) and at that time I didn't think about which AShM had this capability. Now I used google to find out and it seems the Penguin does: "... latest variants of Penguin can perform random weaving maneuvres at target approach ..."
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Do you know about some other AShM with this capability?


Most AShMs developed in the last twenty years have been designed with terminal evasive maneuvers.
 
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