052/052B Class Destroyers

Blitzo

Blitzo

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

joshuatree said:
Is it just me or does one of the vessels sit higher in the water? Both appear to have the same major external components installed and at this point in the construction, any major internal components should already be installed.

I guess the one that sits lower does have the helo mockup but it shouldn't displace that much???
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172 is many months further along in fitting out than 173, so it isn't surprising to see it lower in the water.


Sure is nice seeing two 052Ds next to each other. Very good looking ships. Will be a hell of a sight once pairs of them sit along JN like 054As at HD
 
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Preux

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Or it could be the ballast - really, of all things to tell two ships of a class apart, the water line is about the least useful indicator.
 
Jeff Head

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:
Sure is nice seeing two 052Ds next to each other. Very good looking ships. Will be a hell of a sight once pairs of them sit along JN like 054As at HD
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One day we will see two Type 052D DDGs, two Type 054A FFGs and two Type 093 SSNs escorting the Liaoning with a deck full of J-15s in a photo op.

That will be one heck of a picture and it will make a very definitive statement.
 
kwaigonegin

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

tphuang said:
Dalian is getting better. It got a lot of money from its recent PLAN contracts to invest in improving the build quality. But I would say that the shanghai shipyards just simply have always been better. The speed, workmanship and finishing of the ones built in Shanghai shipyards are just better than the other ones, although Guangzhou shipyards are doing well too. I don't want to go too deep into this except to say that it has a lot to do with historical background of Shanghai compared to Northern cities and Wuhan.

Anyways, it's important for PLAN to keep multiple lines open for each major product, so Dalian will get its share.
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some folks in the Navy prefer BIW over HII. Not sure what all that is about though. I believe HII is the sold builder of the navy's CVNs by the way. if both dalian and Shanghai yards have contracts to build PLAN's carriers that means they are diversifying their efforts and giving carrier building experience to the folks there which is a very good thing. I wish we have that here.
 
Jeff Head

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

kwaigonegin said:
some folks in the Navy prefer BIW over HII. Not sure what all that is about though. I believe HII is the sold builder of the navy's CVNs by the way. if both dalian and Shanghai yards have contracts to build PLAN's carriers that means they are diversifying their efforts and giving carrier building experience to the folks there which is a very good thing. I wish we have that here.
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We used to in these United States.

But the last carrier not built at Newport News was the USS Constellation, CV-64, which was launched from the Brooklyn Navy Yard in October 1960. She was built at the same time as the USS Kitty Hawk CV-63, which was built at the New York Shipbuilding Corporation Yards in New Jersey and was launched in May 1960. Then you consider that the USS Enterprise CVN-65, was launched at Newport News in September 1960.

So, back in the late 1950s into 1960, the US Navy was building three super carriers at once. Heck of a naval shipbuilding capability to be able to build three supercarriers simultaneously at three different yards...Camden, New Jersey, Brooklyn, New York, and Newport News, Virginia. Real hay days they were.
 
by78

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Fitting out is going on apace. If 052D ends its production run at 12 as they say, then China will have a sizable contingent of 18 Aegis-type DDGs by 2018/19, all with AESA arrays no less, and we haven't even talked about 055s. The balance of naval power is definitely shifting very fast in the Western Pacific.

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joshuatree

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Bltizo said:
172 is many months further along in fitting out than 173, so it isn't surprising to see it lower in the water.
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I haven't been following the two units closely so aside from you pointing out 172 is the one sitting lower in the water, is there some particular observation that identifies 172 from 173? The covers off the guns? AESA panels no longer having scaffolding? Or is it all based on comments in various forums? The one sitting lower in the water looks like it has even more ongoing construction with the various scaffolding.


Preux said:
Or it could be the ballast - really, of all things to tell two ships of a class apart, the water line is about the least useful indicator.
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Wasn't trying to identify which ship is which based on water line.


by78 said:
Could be a multitude of things: furnishing, VLS magazines (which are very large), other ammo, fuel, other supplies, etc.
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I think both ships are still too early for ammo and fuel. But you have a good point with VLS magazines since we don't have a top view.
 
by78

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

joshuatree said:
I think both ships are still too early for ammo and fuel. But you have a good point with VLS magazines since we don't have a top view.
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I wouldn't say it it's too early for ammo and fuel. 172 did a fair amount of sailing around last year, which required that she be fueled. VLS magazines can be installed as soon as the hull is ready to accept them (with proper cabling in place preferably).
 
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antiterror13

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Jeff Head said:
We used to in these United States.

But the last carrier not built at Newport News was the USS Constellation, CV-64, which was launched from the Brooklyn Navy Yard in October 1960. She was built at the same time as the USS Kitty Hawk CV-63, which was built at the New York Shipbuilding Corporation Yards in New Jersey and was launched in May 1960. Then you consider that the USS Enterprise CVN-65, was launched at Newport News in September 1960.

So, back in the late 1950s into 1960, the US Navy was building three super carriers at once. Heck of a naval shipbuilding capability to be able to build three supercarriers simultaneously at three different yards...Camden, New Jersey, Brooklyn, New York, and Newport News, Virginia. Real hay days they were.
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I believe CPM and PERT were invented by US navy to "handle" such enormous task in the 1950s and 1960s
 
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