052/052B Class Destroyers

tphuang · Jan 16, 2014

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

xiabonan said:
CJDBY's Navy Forum Moderator has just posted a new thread. Basically he was saying that according to his sources, the construction of the 055 destroyer won't start until 2015. Meanwhile in 2014 the 052D will continue in serial production with a total number of 12, 8 built in the south and 4 in the north. Of course, these 12 vessels' construction will go into somewhere 2015, 2016 and 2017. So, yah.

Anyway just some new information it can be true or false. I guess 2014 will tell.

He is accurate most of the time. He's got real connections. About 052D breakdown, that confirms with what I've read.

mack8 said:
I really had no idea where to put this as it appears to cover everything- not only 052 destroyers but the rumoured 055 ( improved 052D or CG?) frigates, subs, carriers everything- and didn't wanted to keep clogging the carrier or LPD thread for a change. I found this, it's a few months old, and have no idea if it's a "legit" list depicting "something", or it is fanboy speculation. I've been reading here and there lately about PLAN developments, and i find it absolutely fascinating even if i'm an aviation head and had little grasp of PLAN matters (or USN, JMSDF etc. for that matter) until very recently.

If it's not much of a hassle and if this is pretty "legit", can someone help with some very short translation of what this list represents? (i looked about and know what each ship type is, except 9 and 10, but what it says in the other columns, blank)

No, these lists are almost always fanboy list. Any of us could make this up too.

i.e. · Jan 19, 2014

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"Media reports - later deleted from the internet - stated Liaoning party chief Wang Min told a panel of the provincial people's congress that the second carrier was being built in the city of Dalian. The reports also quoted Wang as saying the port city was building two advanced 052D destroyers."

I hate Dalian Ship yard they suck. pro-Northerner pork-barrel project.

no one in china beats Jiangnan in workmanship and quality. May be Hudong-Zhonghua comes close.

delft · Jan 19, 2014

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"Media reports - later deleted from the internet - stated Liaoning party chief Wang Min told a panel of the provincial people's congress that the second carrier was being built in the city of Dalian. The reports also quoted Wang as saying the port city was building two advanced 052D destroyers."

I hate Dalian Ship yard they suck. pro-Northerner pork-barrel project.

no one in china beats Jiangnan in workmanship and quality. May be Hudong-Zhonghua comes close.

What makes you think Dalian isn't investing in improving the quality of its products?

Jeff Head · Jan 19, 2014

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"The reports also quoted Wang as saying the port city was building two advanced 052D destroyers."

I hate Dalian Ship yard they suck. pro-Northerner pork-barrel project.

None the less, Dalian has produced some good vessels. First and foremost the Liaoning. Also the two Type 051C DDGs. I would certainly not say that "they suck."

The PLAN apparently wants to put more Type 052Ds in service faster than one yard can produce. So, they are going to have a second yard build some. It will be up to the PLAN and to Dalian to ensure that these DDGs are built up to the proper standards. I bet they will be.

ludasmatyi · Jan 19, 2014

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

172 and 173

by78 · Jan 19, 2014

Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

ludasmatyi said:
172 and 173

Here are the full resolution ones, and they are beautiful ships:

Jeff Head · Jan 19, 2014

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These ARE very beautiful pictures of the two Type 052Ds, DDG-172 and DDG-173 fitting out.

Once again, impressive pics of two major surface combatants coming together at one in the PRC naval shipyards.

Very nice naval enthusiast eye candy indeed.

tphuang · Jan 19, 2014

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"Media reports - later deleted from the internet - stated Liaoning party chief Wang Min told a panel of the provincial people's congress that the second carrier was being built in the city of Dalian. The reports also quoted Wang as saying the port city was building two advanced 052D destroyers."

I hate Dalian Ship yard they suck. pro-Northerner pork-barrel project.

no one in china beats Jiangnan in workmanship and quality. May be Hudong-Zhonghua comes close.

delft said:
What makes you think Dalian isn't investing in improving the quality of its products?

Dalian is getting better. It got a lot of money from its recent PLAN contracts to invest in improving the build quality. But I would say that the shanghai shipyards just simply have always been better. The speed, workmanship and finishing of the ones built in Shanghai shipyards are just better than the other ones, although Guangzhou shipyards are doing well too. I don't want to go too deep into this except to say that it has a lot to do with historical background of Shanghai compared to Northern cities and Wuhan.

Anyways, it's important for PLAN to keep multiple lines open for each major product, so Dalian will get its share.

joshuatree · Jan 19, 2014

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Is it just me or does one of the vessels sit higher in the water? Both appear to have the same major external components installed and at this point in the construction, any major internal components should already be installed.

I guess the one that sits lower does have the helo mockup but it shouldn't displace that much???

by78 · Jan 19, 2014

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joshuatree said:
Is it just me or does one of the vessels sit higher in the water? Both appear to have the same major external components installed and at this point in the construction, any major internal components should already be installed.

I guess the one that sits lower does have the helo mockup but it shouldn't displace that much???

Could be a multitude of things: furnishing, VLS magazines (which are very large), other ammo, fuel, other supplies, etc.

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