052/052B Class Destroyers

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Preux

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Re: Type 052 (Luhu Class)

Jeff Head said:
OTOH, it is very easy to also believe that they may have planned that 24 missiles would be enough for any single deployment and they could be reloaded between missions.
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Or simply that it would be enough for any single engagement and they could reload it in the lull of battle manually, as indeed this class of launchers often are.

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It should also be borne in mind that although we have not seen evidence of a crane integrated into HQ-10 launchers, the HQ-10 missiles are also substantially lighter than the SeaRAM, weighing in the region of perhaps in the region of 40 kg, which also makes reloading easier.
 
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Preux

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Re: Type 052 (Luhu Class)

Jeff Head said:
Well, in pure numbers she stacks up like this 052D vs Burke Flight IIA:

VLS: 64 to 96
Helos: One to two
Sonar: Far less capable.
Main Gun: 130mm vs 127mm
CIWS Gun: 30mm vs 20mm
CIWS Missile: FL-3000N 24 cell vs none
APARS: We just do not know enough about the Chinese System
Battle Management: We just do not know enough about the Chinese System.

Now, we do know that the US VLS can handle all sorts of weapons, including SM-2, SM-3, SM-6, quad packed ESSMs, TLAMs, Tactical Tomahawk with SSM, VL-ASROC, the new LRASM, etc.

We think that the Chinese VLS can handle, in addition to their LR AAW missiles, a yet to be seen quad packed SR AAW missile, and a yet to be seen cruise missile. But we have not seen them yet.

I'd say that the Type 052D is a very capable multi-mission destroyer with very strong anti-air capabilities. But I believe it is still quite a bit behind the overall capabilities of a Burke Flight IIA destroyer.
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We also think the Chinese have some sort of VL-ASROC available although we aren't sure what. That point came up first in the 054 thread.
 
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Preux

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Re: Type 052 (Luhu Class)

foxmulder said:
Do you have some info you can share for for this?
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It's pretty much educated guesswork because the bow sonar appears to be substantially smaller, but whatever the gap is it's probably smaller than the 052C vis-a-vis the Burke, as the 052Ds have an opening for a fairly large VDS, too, arguing for superior ASW capabilities.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Re: Type 052 (Luhu Class)

foxmulder said:
Do you have some info you can share for for this?
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Two things.

1. Take a look at the bow sonars of both vessels.
2. Read up on the AN/SQS-53C Sonar Array and the AN/SQR-19 Tactical Towed Array Sonar

US Burke class bow mounted sonar:

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PLAN Type 052D bow mounted sonar:

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Compared side by side in 1/350 scale:

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Jeff Head

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

High-res pic of Type 052D, D1, about completed with final outfitting after builder's sea trials. She should be handed over relatively soon I would think:


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plawolf

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Does anyone know what those poles under the PARs are for? They seem movable rather than being fixed external piping, you can clearly see one of them sticking out in that last picture Jeff posted.

Jeff Head said:
High-res pic of Type 052D, D1, about completed with final outfitting after builder's sea trials. She should be handed over relatively soon I would think:


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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

plawolf said:
Does anyone know what those poles under the PARs are for? They seem movable rather than being fixed external piping, you can clearly see one of them sticking out in that last picture Jeff posted.
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They swing back against the vessel, underneath the APAR. The one sticking out on that picture is made to swing back against the vessel and you can see its attachment point.

If you look at the APAR forward of that, you can see the same thing swung back against the vessel below that APAR.

They were also on the Type 052C Type 346 APARs, below the curved section.

I am not sue what the function is...but it could be for cooling of the active array.

You can clearly see it in this picture of the APAR mounted on the test vessel:


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Also, the same type of apparatus on the Type 052C APAR:


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Blitzo

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Everything from calibration to side lobe canceller has been suggested.

And it is definitely not a cooling pipe though.
 
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A.Man

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Re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

052D update

D2 & D4

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C4 & D3 （Correction: C4 here Should be C6)

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D5

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I am certain: this is not a 055

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