052/052B Class Destroyers

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

I love seeing a CIWS in action. Two at the same time is even better. Please post more if you have them!

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Geographer said:

I love seeing a CIWS in action. Two at the same time is even better. Please post more if you have them!

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I always wonder if those CIWS have "surface target mode" to engage thin-skinned small vessels, with that kind of firing rate small boats that usually used by pirates and suicide boats will be torn to shreds in seconds.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

MwRYum said:

I always wonder if those CIWS have "surface target mode" to engage thin-skinned small vessels, with that kind of firing rate small boats that usually used by pirates and suicide boats will be torn to shreds in seconds.

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Easily done by switching to manual but it's not practical it's expensive and a over kill, which is why smaller calibre guns do the job or sometimes much larger calibre which pack much greater punch on single shots

Usually it takes a few shots to calibrate the guns, imagine trying to first calibrate a CIWS, the magazine is finite and would be a extreme waste of resources

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asif iqbal said:

Easily done by switching to manual but it's not practical it's expensive and a over kill, which is why smaller calibre guns do the job or sometimes much larger calibre which pack much greater punch on single shots

Usually it takes a few shots to calibrate the guns, imagine trying to first calibrate a CIWS, the magazine is finite and would be a extreme waste of resources

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I didn't know CIWS needs to be calibrated? As long as thousands of round is able to fire out, accuracy is almost non existent since CIWS just need to make a spread wall of rounds on its intended target...

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It was for a general CIWS which in manual, modern systems like the Block 1B have Phalanx Surface Mode (PSUM) with a side mounted FLIR which is used to engage anything other than a anti ship missile

In the light of new threats modern CIWS do have a surface attack mode

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Lion said:

I didn't know CIWS needs to be calibrated? As long as thousands of round is able to fire out, accuracy is almost non existent since CIWS just need to make a spread wall of rounds on its intended target...

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Actually, not at all. They have to fire in a very straight line, based on very minute controls from their controller, in order to be able to hit an incoming cruise missile, either sub-sonic or supersonic.

These are very sophisticated and complex HTK (Hit to kill) algorythms. Hitting a speeding bullet with another speeding bullet...even when firing thousands. You have to put out as dense a stream of outgoing projectiles as possible, and then bring that stream into contact with the incoming missile.

Spray and pray will not work...the chances of hitting such a missile would be like that of finding a tiny needle in a 30 ton hay stack. But the Phalanx and Goal Keeper have been live fire tested many, many times (as I am sure the PLAN versions have been), utlilizng these algorythms and are continuously updated and improved, and when properly calibrated, have a very decent chance of hitting such a missile in terminal flight.

re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Lion said:

I didn't know CIWS needs to be calibrated? As long as thousands of round is able to fire out, accuracy is almost non existent since CIWS just need to make a spread wall of rounds on its intended target...

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I hope you know what you are talking about, there is no such thing of luck or random .... it simply won't work, trust me

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antiterror13 said:

I hope you know what you are talking about, there is no such thing of luck or random .... it simply won't work, trust me

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You mean luck to miss the 10000 rounds going at a diameter of 50m and not to get hit by a single round? Lolz

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Jeff Head said:

These are very sophisticated and complex HTK (Hit to kill) algorythms.

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I would guess that the computer would need to calculate the flight path, aim and direct the fire at the front of the missile and maintain firing for a few seconds, rather than aim at the missile itself.

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Lion said:

You mean luck to miss the 10000 rounds going at a diameter of 50m and not to get hit by a single round? Lolz

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assume 50m box
10000/50^2=200bullet/m^2 10000/3*3200rd/min=1.1min assume there are 3 weapon fire simultaneouslly toward the missile 200/66s=3bullet/m^2/s does that sound alot to you? now this is just surface area, when put volume there, said 50*50*2m deep, then the ammount of bullet occupied in that volume/s is even less. say each bullet size is about size of your tumb, then thats 3 thumb size occpy 1m^2/s or 2m^3/s=2M cm^3/s bullet is about what 2cm^3 size so thats 1/1million ratio, so you need 1million bullet/2m^3/s to occupy entire 50*50*2 space. of course the missile occupy about 1m*1m*8m range? suffice to say 10000/50m*50m*2/1.1min is not enough.