052/052B Class Destroyers

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hmmwv

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Mysterre said:
The only way to cold launch using CCL is if the ejection system is also completely enclosed inside the module. This means additional space requirements, meaning if the cold launch CCL cell is the same size as surrounding hot launch cells, by necessity it would have to use a smaller missile, possibly a much smaller missile. If the number "0.85m/cell" is correct, then I don't see how they would be able to quad-pack HQ-16's in there since that number also represents the venting system. I'm not even sure they could quad-pack HQ-10's in there. And let's not even talk about the guidance radars that would be required for both of these missiles (which we so far don't even know exists on the 052D), even the HQ-10 since it would be launching blind (vertically) and would not be able to acquire diddly squat without external cueing.
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In the new universal VLS hot launch will be CCL canisters, cold launch will be just plain ole cold self contained canisters like HQ9. We don't even know whether this VLS will be on the 052D. Also why would you want to quad pack HQ10 in there? The current conventional launch is much better.
 
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hardware

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

the HQ-16 for 052d likely a extended range version.since 052D has sufficient space to installed long burn version of HQ-16.
with extra booster,this gave HQ-16 not just same engagement range identical to HQ-9 but larger number of missile the ship could carry.
 
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no_name

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Somewhat better quality pictures, nothing we haven't already seem before.

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Mysterre

Mysterre

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

hmmwv said:
In the new universal VLS hot launch will be CCL canisters, cold launch will be just plain ole cold self contained canisters like HQ9. We don't even know whether this VLS will be on the 052D. Also why would you want to quad pack HQ10 in there? The current conventional launch is much better.
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HQ-9 is not self-contained AFAIK, otherwise there would have been no need for a revolver-style system. The central part of the revolver contains the gas injection system.

Regarding the HQ-10, I was responding to some of the posters saying you could quad-pack smaller missiles into these CCL's. As I was saying, I'm not certain you can do that with the space given.
 
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delft

Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

no_name said:
marine forum seems to have pretty good discussions on the type 052D. They even predicted hot/cold combined VLS back in June before the pics came out. Is in french but Google translated link does a decent job.

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I notice they mention new gas turbine engines.
Btw I'll check out this site occasionally, if only to improve my ability to read French. Thanks no_name.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

Major
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Have yet seen anyone said about this but stumbled on this thing when they discuss about the 052D...

GJB 5860-2006(K)

For those who don't what is "GJB", that's the Chinese equivalent of MIL-STD (in fact, "GJB" or "国家军用标准/Guojia Junyong Biaozhun" emulate MIL-STD system); and that in particular concerning the rumored new VLS system, designed to utilize all the new missiles - SAM / ASROC / cruise missile - the "true Chinese version of MK41 VLS system".

Anyway, in the coming months we'll know the answers.
 
Blitzo

Blitzo

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

posted by hhg over on cdf

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So clearly the VLS is the new universal CCL design due to the lack of a central exhaust vent. This is a huge development.

Now of course it is of interest to see whether the aft has a VLS station as well, and to do a total count. But it's a safe bet to assume this is the VLS talked about in that MIL STD. Now it'll be a wait for confirmation that it can fire all the various types of missiles it claims (though we can use common sense to assume a few)
 
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Totoro

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

even though we are probably looking at bow VLS, for some reason that image of VLS looks like there isn't any part of the ship in the background, meaning it looks like a VLS put up high up. Perhaps stern VLS after all? But everything else just screams that it is unlikely there is a stern VLS bay at all.

So the VLS cells aren't circular in the end?
 
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asif iqbal

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

well if China has indeed developed a Universal VLS system of class Mk41 then that is a massive development

this means China is only a handful of nations that can launch land attack cruise missiles from a VLS system, as far as i know Japanese DDGs cant provide Tomahawk, but there is one DDG in the region that can, and that is the South Korean King Sejong the Great class destroyer, that DDG is in a class of its own, carrying 80 VLS + 48 VLS, totaling 128 missiles more than Areligh Burke and can launch land attack cruise missiles, South Korea really has something special there

if Type 052D has 48 VLS + 32 VLS thats 80 missiles that would be a milestone development but still behind South Korea DDGs, but then bigger more powerful Type 058 would really be the equivlent
 
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