00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[TK3600]

I don't understand what is there to be angry about. An official media said "making big dumplings", which implies multiple ships in a batch, be it serial production, or parrallel. Implying multiple ships of this type in a batch. A deviation from current each ship is one of a kind of its class situation.

Perhaps you think the media account is not reliable, fine, don't shoot the messenger.

We are already experiencing it in form of 003 and 004 both being built. Personally I think multiple 004 in a batch is not far fetched.

 

[ENTED64]

I think there's a pretty big difference between official media hinting at this kind of thing in a roundabout way with a meme and an actual press release stating they're making multiple carriers. Perhaps we can treat this on the level of a rumor but it's hard to take such a nudge nudge wink wink meme statement as official confirmation of anything in particular. We shouldn't read too much into this and rather should do the usual wait for actual evidence from satellite photos.

 

[Blitzo]

I don't understand what is there to be angry about. An official media said "making big dumplings", which implies multiple ships in a batch, be it serial production, or parrallel. Implying multiple ships of this type in a batch. A deviation from current each ship is one of a kind of its class situation.

Perhaps you think the media account is not reliable, fine, don't shoot the messenger.

We are already experiencing it in form of 003 and 004 both being built. Personally I think multiple 004 in a batch is not far fetched.

There is a difference between what can be reasonably inferred with confidence, versus what one may "hope" for.

You are using the latter and portraying it as if it is the former.



There's a reason why we have standards (whether it's credible rumours from the grapevine, or from imagery) to be met before openly talking about big ideas (like large scale aircraft carrier production) as if they are viable or imminent prospects. Because we want to actively avoid and dissuade ourselves from fantasy and hopium.

So sure, you're within your rights to argue "well maybe it could mean multiple ships in a batch, they might imply it, don't shoot the messenger" -- but you'd really be better off just to acknowledge that the evidence for it is thin, and it's more constructive for the community as a whole to not entertain big and bold prospects too early.

The more that the PLA watching is able to self-police its own "fanboy-ishness" the better.

 

[TK3600]

OK, if you think the media is not to be trusted, get angry at original poster, not me.

The most minimal interpretation of the words means "more than one in a batch, typically 3 or more. Production would be in fast/optimised pace". It is not my wishful thinking, it is what the language is supposed to mean. I am not randomly wishcasting if that is what you are accusing me of.

I stand by my position that my interpretation of the post is accurate, not me mistranslating.

"more than one in a batch, typically 3 or more. Production would be in fast/optimised pace"

 

[Deino]

OK, if you think the media is not to be trusted, get angry at original poster, not me.

The most minimal interpretation of the words means "more than one in a batch, typically 3 or more. Production would be in fast/optimised pace". It is not my wishful thinking, it is what the language is supposed to mean. I am not randomly wishcasting if that is what you are accusing me of.

I stand by my position that my interpretation of the post is accurate, not me mistranslating.

"more than one in a batch, typically 3 or more. Production would be in fast/optimised pace"

Well, if you trust without any questions any such claim it only shows you are a low-level Fan-Boy only and as such - take this as a clear warning! - since you refuse any kind request and explanation by now two Moderators, any next similar post in which you present rumours as facts will result in an immedeate temporary ban to keep the level within our forum and to let you reconsider why you are here!

… plain and simple.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Latest update on the carrier mockup structure at Huangjiahu. The base structure of the island superstructure mockup is pretty much completed.

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Latest satellite imagery of the carrier mockup structure at Huangjiahu.



The dimension of the 004 CVN will be pretty much similar to the Ford CVN. Even the position of the island superstructure is literally the same as the island superstructure on the Ford CVN.



Therefore, for those who have been drooling to inflate the 004 CVN's full-load displacements beyond 120000 tons - Please, pipe down your fantasies.

 

[lcloo]

Latest satellite imagery of the carrier mockup structure at Huangjiahu.

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The dimension of the 004 CVN will be pretty much similar to the Ford CVN. Even the position of the island superstructure is literally the same as the island superstructure on the Ford CVN.

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Therefore, for those who have been drooling to inflate the 004 CVN's full-load displacements beyond 120000 tons - Please, pipe down your fantasies.

I think we have to consider the restriction of the size of the land property on which the mock-up sits on. The length of "004" and "003" mock-up is practically the same. The is no extention of the stern on "004" mock-up due to the restriction of the length of the land, obstructed by existing buildings close by. And there seem to be a road and fence there as well.

So very likely that the mock-up of "004" would not have the same length of the actual 004.

I don't want to sepculate on the actual length or the displacement of 004. We just have to wait.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

I think we have to consider the restriction of the size of the land property on which the mock-up sits on. The length of "004" and "003" mock-up is practically the same. The is no extention of the stern on "004" mock-up due to the restriction of the length of the land, obstructed by existing buildings close by. And there seem to be a road and fence there as well.

So very likely that the mock-up of "004" would not have the same length of the actual 004.

I don't want to sepculate on the actual length or the displacement of 004. We just have to wait.

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What I've stated in my post have already taken the limited land space of the mockup structure into account, in case you noticed that comparison picture.

 

[BillRamengod]

The OG Weibo: The era of China's nuclear-powered aircraft carriers is approaching. The Fujian might potentially be the only conventional-powered EMALS-equipped carrier.
Ayi responded: "It won't be the only one."

Don't kill the messenger.

 

[proelite]

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Don't kill the messenger.

Hypothetical conventional CATOBAR carriers for export.

Edited the deck layout and island a bit for improved operations.

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