00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

GiantPanda

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Something that i wanted to ask for a while, i do understand that atm it's a bit unclear the building situation re CV-19 and CV-20, but going with the theory that Jiangnan will be building a repeat 003 (call it 003A) while Dalian looks like it's building the 004 CVN, would it not make more sense to actually have the ships built the other way around, ie the 003A at Dalian and the 004 CVN at Jiangnan? This is because the learning curve would be smoother, Dalian would have been building an 80,000 tons 3x EMALS 003A after building the 60,000 tons ski-jump Shandong, while Jiangnan would have followed the 80,000 tons Fujian with a 100,000 tons 004 CVN with likely 4x EMALS. As it is, Dalian would make a big jump straight to a CVN while Jiangnan would remain more or less technologically frozen until around 2030 by building a repeat Fujian, which doesn't seem like an optimum use of shipyard capabilities imo.

Also, why the big delay at Dalian in building their next carrier? I have been looking at the american Fords and the last two Nimitz, and it seems there is roughly a 6 years gap between launching successive american CVNs. Based on that timetable, and even assuming some delay due to Covid, Dalian should have already launched likely a 003A hull (and Fujian sistership) by 2024. Is there solid proof that the ship being built at Dalian now is a CVN, and not say an improved and perhaps a tad bigger 003A with 4x EMALS?

It may well be that both Dalian and Jiangnan will be building a 004 CVN each, which is the best outcome capability wise for PLAN, but meanwhile until we have clarity as to the CV-19 and CV-20 building schedule, just wanted to hear your input on my query above. Many thanks.

Jiangnan leveraging a workforce that just finished assembling 003 to build a sister ship would make infinitely more sense. If a second 003 were ever planned.

Dalian having finished MLU of CV16 Liaoning
should start on the next carrier type whether it is CVN or not.
 

asif iqbal

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004 should be sister of the 003 a CV + EMALS

I doubt DL will switch to CVN

DL starts 004 and within a year we see 005 a full CVN at JNCX

once DL finishes the 004 it can start the 006

thats way we have
001 and 002 STOBAR 24 fighters each
003 and 004 CV EMALS 36 fighters each
005 and 006 CVN full CATOBAR 48 fighters each

Total fighters over enemy territory = 216
 

Deino

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004 should be sister of the 003 a CV + EMALS

I doubt DL will switch to CVN

DL starts 004 and within a year we see 005 a full CVN at JNCX

once DL finishes the 004 it can start the 006

thats way we have
001 and 002 STOBAR 24 fighters each
003 and 004 CV EMALS 36 fighters each
005 and 006 CVN full CATOBAR 48 fighters each

Total fighters over enemy territory = 216

Sorry, but can you please stop with these useless lists? If it is just for feel-good then fine, but then keep it for yourself, here it is not helpful even more so since 1. we do not know enough and 2. contradicts what others more credible posters expect. :mad:
 

asif iqbal

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Sorry, but can you please stop with these useless lists? If it is just for feel-good then fine, but then keep it for yourself, here it is not helpful even more so since 1. we do not know enough and 2. contradicts what others more credible posters expect. :mad:

can you point out the contradiction even although demo module for a Carrier have been sighted already last year at DL and its not beyond the realms of possibility that indeed 004 is under construction which is already 4 points out of the 6 I mentioned

and again its not beyond a reasonable assumption even many sources claim that China could operate 6 Carriers beyond 2030 and JNCX and DL could build CVNs?

maybe you are referring to the fighter capacity ? well we have seen 13 x J15 on deck and 12 can fit in the hanger for 24 on CV-16 and Cv-17
 

Iron Man

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There is no reason at all that 003 cannot fit 4 full squadrons of fighters, i.e./e.g. 20-24x J-15Ts and 20-24x J-35s, along with 4-5 J-15Ds, 4-5 KJ-600s, and a complement of helos. The Kitty Hawk was about the same size as the 003 and it could fit that much easily. Its predecessor the Forrestals were packed with even more fighters of various types. Both were conventional CVs in the 80,000t range.

And now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure we've seen a "beast-mode" loadout of the Liaoning with 24 J-15s + 2 helos on deck, which means it could be storing 12 more fighters in the hangar with a few more helos, which means the actual max loadout for 001 and 002 is more like 36 fighters + helos.....
 
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sangye

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can you point out the contradiction even although demo module for a Carrier have been sighted already last year at DL and its not beyond the realms of possibility that indeed 004 is under construction which is already 4 points out of the 6 I mentioned

and again its not beyond a reasonable assumption even many sources claim that China could operate 6 Carriers beyond 2030 and JNCX and DL could build CVNs?

maybe you are referring to the fighter capacity ? well we have seen 13 x J15 on deck and 12 can fit in the hanger for 24 on CV-16 and Cv-17
This is not the place to post your fantasies, man. We are here to share and debate news and facts. Why don't you start you own blog and post there about your wishes for the perfect Chinese army in your head?

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AndrewJ

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Possible first ship module (could be a test/evaluation module) that belongs to the 004 CVN has appeared at Dalian.

What looks to be mockups of a J-15T and a helicopter is also visible beside the hull module (2nd photo).

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More on the ship module (could be a test/evaluation module) - Apparently the ship module is already present and visible at Dalian as early as early/mid-2024!

Does anyone remember the interview during last year's NPC? Being asked whether next carrier is nuclear-powered, Navy Commissar said "will tell you very soon". :p
Raw interview video:
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Navy officers mean it!!! The interview was in March, but the construction module was there also about that time. They even placed a J-15 and a copter mockup nearby in case you can't find it from satellite imagery! :eek:
 
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Fernandos Kato

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Something that i wanted to ask for a while, i do understand that atm it's a bit unclear the building situation re CV-19 and CV-20, but going with the theory that Jiangnan will be building a repeat 003 (call it 003A) while Dalian looks like it's building the 004 CVN, would it not make more sense to actually have the ships built the other way around, ie the 003A at Dalian and the 004 CVN at Jiangnan? This is because the learning curve would be smoother, Dalian would have been building an 80,000 tons 3x EMALS 003A after building the 60,000 tons ski-jump Shandong, while Jiangnan would have followed the 80,000 tons Fujian with a 100,000 tons 004 CVN with likely 4x EMALS. As it is, Dalian would make a big jump straight to a CVN while Jiangnan would remain more or less technologically frozen until around 2030 by building a repeat Fujian, which doesn't seem like an optimum use of shipyard capabilities imo.

Also, why the big delay at Dalian in building their next carrier? I have been looking at the american Fords and the last two Nimitz, and it seems there is roughly a 6 years gap between launching successive american CVNs. Based on that timetable, and even assuming some delay due to Covid, Dalian should have already launched likely a 003A hull (and Fujian sistership) by 2024. Is there solid proof that the ship being built at Dalian now is a CVN, and not say an improved and perhaps a tad bigger 003A with 4x EMALS?

It may well be that both Dalian and Jiangnan will be building a 004 CVN each, which is the best outcome capability wise for PLAN, but meanwhile until we have clarity as to the CV-19 and CV-20 building schedule, just wanted to hear your input on my query above. Many thanks.
When taking about Chinese carrier construction, the quelification of the shipbuilding facility is also important.
Dalian shipyard has got a quelification for nuclear vessel not long ago, while Jiangnan and Hudong havn't (at least I didn't find relevent report)
 

asif iqbal

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This is not the place to post your fantasies, man. We are here to share and debate news and facts. Why don't you start you own blog and post there about your wishes for the perfect Chinese army in your head?

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is a great option for you to do that, just stop spamming this forum.




the forum is free and open for all to post

don't like it simply leave
 
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