00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

Iron Man

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pesoleati said:
Both that statements are correct: 004 is the first CNV and 003 will have a sister ship
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Not sure how both of these could be correct. If 003 will have a sister ship that ship will be 004 and the CVN will be 005. BTW this whole nomenclature thing is similar to the 001A vs 002 debates of yesteryear, though in this case if there is a sister ship I feel the nomenclature tension will be even more exacerbated because both CVs will probably be much more similar to each other than the Liaoning is to the Shandong.

I think I might have already brought this up before, but I wonder if for the specific case of carriers, the 00X designations would more appropriately be preceded by "Project" instead of "Type", as in Project 001 and Project 002, which at least in English gives more room for each carrier to be its own thing than "Type" which refers to an entire class of ship. If 003 and 004 are sister ships they would be the same type and yet they should still be called "Type 003" and "Type 004"??? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
Deino

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pesoleati said:
Both that statements are correct: 004 is the first CNV and 003 will have a sister ship

could it be that 004 is the CNV already started in DaLian. As the first CNV, it may take longer time to build. JN will start sister ship of 003 later, but will complete it sooner.
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But just to be precise ... we have no proof of this so far!?
 
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mack8

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Something that i wanted to ask for a while, i do understand that atm it's a bit unclear the building situation re CV-19 and CV-20, but going with the theory that Jiangnan will be building a repeat 003 (call it 003A) while Dalian looks like it's building the 004 CVN, would it not make more sense to actually have the ships built the other way around, ie the 003A at Dalian and the 004 CVN at Jiangnan? This is because the learning curve would be smoother, Dalian would have been building an 80,000 tons 3x EMALS 003A after building the 60,000 tons ski-jump Shandong, while Jiangnan would have followed the 80,000 tons Fujian with a 100,000 tons 004 CVN with likely 4x EMALS. As it is, Dalian would make a big jump straight to a CVN while Jiangnan would remain more or less technologically frozen until around 2030 by building a repeat Fujian, which doesn't seem like an optimum use of shipyard capabilities imo.

Also, why the big delay at Dalian in building their next carrier? I have been looking at the american Fords and the last two Nimitz, and it seems there is roughly a 6 years gap between launching successive american CVNs. Based on that timetable, and even assuming some delay due to Covid, Dalian should have already launched likely a 003A hull (and Fujian sistership) by 2024. Is there solid proof that the ship being built at Dalian now is a CVN, and not say an improved and perhaps a tad bigger 003A with 4x EMALS?

It may well be that both Dalian and Jiangnan will be building a 004 CVN each, which is the best outcome capability wise for PLAN, but meanwhile until we have clarity as to the CV-19 and CV-20 building schedule, just wanted to hear your input on my query above. Many thanks.
 
kwaigonegin

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Blitzo said:
I'm pretty sure it's already been discussed on previous pages -- this is likely a test/demonstration module (DL and JNCX both built test/demo modules as well in the past), rather than being an actual module for the final intended carrier.

So to answer the question about where the rest is -- there isn't any, because the likelihood is this isn't going to be part of any final carrier at all.
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Gotcha.. thanks for the explanation. I must've missed an earlier commentary.
 
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