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GOODTREE

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I think some here aren't familiar with how deep corruption runs within the PLA and China's MIC. I think they'd be less inclined to dismiss it or relegate it to "propaganda" if they had an idea of how much it hinders China's warfighting capabilities. And so often the response is whataboutism. Yeah, comparison does matter, that doesn't mean it's not a huge problem

For the record, I've also seen some rumours regarding Yang Wei, and I'd classify the rumour to be "credible enough to pay attention to". It's also possible for investigation and transfer to both be true. The issue isn't just 免职 by itself, but rather there's also a decent amount of noise.
I'm going to make the assumption that you're referring to me here, and I think you're misunderstanding me a bit. Yes, I am aware of the level of corruption within the PLA, not fully but somewhat, as evidenced by the measures President Xi has taken over the years to that end. However, I am not talking about portraying corruption as non-existent, but rather about the enemy's propaganda war against it. Corruption certainly exists, but corruption reported by the American media, for example, is of a different nature and has a different impact than corruption officially recognized by China, of course. Once an event is reported, it becomes part of the propaganda, to a certain extent divorced from the truth itself. It makes sense then to look at it through the lens of propaganda. I am not denying the existence and possibility of corruption itself. Assuming there is nothing wrong with Yang Wei, it's important to look at the impact of the hype (there is a lot of confusion on SDF alone, not to mention how the average civilian (military fan/observers) feels about it), and if there is something wrong with him, it's important to prevent hostile Western forces from using it to create another propaganda campaign aimed at the civilian population and morale, or to keep it to a minimum. I think it's necessary to look at this story from a propaganda perspective.

Sorry for another off-topic post, if the mods want to delete it feel free. But I think it's necessary to make this point. I welcome private discussion to continue this point.
 

sangye

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I'm going to make the assumption that you're referring to me here, and I think you're misunderstanding me a bit. Yes, I am aware of the level of corruption within the PLA, not fully but somewhat, as evidenced by the measures President Xi has taken over the years to that end. However, I am not talking about portraying corruption as non-existent, but rather about the enemy's propaganda war against it. Corruption certainly exists, but corruption reported by the American media, for example, is of a different nature and has a different impact than corruption officially recognized by China, of course. Once an event is reported, it becomes part of the propaganda, to a certain extent divorced from the truth itself. It makes sense then to look at it through the lens of propaganda. I am not denying the existence and possibility of corruption itself. Assuming there is nothing wrong with Yang Wei, it's important to look at the impact of the hype (there is a lot of confusion on SDF alone, not to mention how the average civilian (military fan/observers) feels about it), and if there is something wrong with him, it's important to prevent hostile Western forces from using it to create another propaganda campaign aimed at the civilian population and morale, or to keep it to a minimum. I think it's necessary to look at this story from a propaganda perspective.

Sorry for another off-topic post, if the mods want to delete it feel free. But I think it's necessary to make this point. I welcome private discussion to continue this point.
That's a perfect example of double-think. Corruption is corruption, it needs to be talked about, to hell with Wester Media. A "propaganda" piece won't affect the war fighting capabilities of the PLA, corruption will.
 

GOODTREE

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Corruption is corruption, it needs to be talked about, to hell with Wester Media.
I never said I wasn't going to talk about the corruption itself, I was always talking about the publicity associated with the event. It's not just the Western media, but also the domestic public sentiment about it that needs to be thought about. This is rather a more pragmatic strategy - now that it's happened, it's only natural to look towards how it can be remedied in other ways. And I'm sure the official Chinese agencies actually in charge of the investigation won't let this stop them, but rather, assuming that something does happen, the officials will want to suppress it from being talked about on a large scale. Do you really think there is a relationship between the propaganda surrounding this event and actually dealing with it?
BTW I'm tired of breaking threads, if you want to continue discussing this I suggest you private message.
 

sangye

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Do you really think there is a relationship between the propaganda surrounding this event and actually dealing with it?
Lol, of course, do you even understand how public perception shapes politics? Corruption NEEDS to be brought to light, otherwise it will always find a way to reproduce.
 

GOODTREE

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Lol, of course, do you even understand how public perception shapes politics? Corruption NEEDS to be brought to light, otherwise it will always find a way to reproduce.
If you think that China is going to change an ongoing policy due to popular pressure, yes, I can't say it hasn't, but clearly this is not at that level at the moment.
And by “propaganda around this” I mean a response to the Western media campaign around this, as well as pacifying propaganda for the civilian population, which would also make it easier not to get into trouble.
Exposing corruption is usually the final nail in the coffin, and until then, all actions need to be quiet, smooth and low-profile. I agree that corruption needs to be exposed, but all decisions should be in the plan, including when to decide to go public, who to go public with, and the scale of the publicity to be declared when going public, all need to be thought through. And these will surely be decisions made within the organization itself, as has always been the case. This, of course, includes the entirety of the investigation.
 
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