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manqiangrexue

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I think it is also just positive to have these meetings regardless of regurgitated talking points. Not having any method of communication is silly, and while things are frosty between the US and China now,
Why do you think it's good to have meetings with people like American politicians? They do nothing but lie and it's a total waste of time. If I wanted to hear regurgitated points, I'd break out the recording of our last meeting. Americans show up, talk like clowns, partially say things they can brag about saying when they go back to US media and partially give lip service to "friendship and cooperation" only to sanction you and introduce anti-China bills a week later. In addition to the time wasted (rather have meetings with local leaders on how to improve China itself than stare at Blinken's face making fart sounds thinking about what to have for dinner), why give legitimacy to people who talk and behave like that? Unless they give up some concessions that make it worth China's time, I say China should publically announce that because Americans act like clowns and never match actions with words, they are not worth China's time, and therefore their meeting requests will fall on deaf ears. That would send a powerful signal to the world, with many countries wondering what side will be the next global superpower to follow, that China is all business, no bullshit.
it doesn't mean persistent and continued attempts at breaking the impasse cannot bear fruit in the future.
The only way this impasse will be broken is when China becomes the dominant power and the US comes to accept a diminished global role thus ending its aggression and ceding its position in Asia to China. Words and meetings have no effect on this impasse, only a shifting power dynamic. People who say the pen is mightier than the sword have clearly never been stabbed; I say talk is cheap and actions speak infinitely louder than words.
 
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BoraTas

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There's probably nothing meaningful Blinken can give, honestly, probably just lip service. He can't offer tech transfers or scrapping the Taiwan Relations Act; and even if he makes promises, we all know that American promises are often anal flatulence mistaken to be human speech.
US political system is designed so that its diplomats can offer nothing. Even things minor like arms sales require Congress approval. This is of course used by American diplomats. They can give false promises without lying on paper.

I wish China had the political manipulation skills of Israel. Israel many times exploited corruption in the US congress to have the US govt do its bidding, sometimes against US interests.
 

Phead128

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Moderator - World Affairs
Unless they give up some concessions that make it worth China's time, I say China should publically announce that because Americans act like clowns and never match actions with words, they are not worth China's time, and therefore their meeting requests will fall on deaf ears.
The meeting happened today, so concessions were likely made? The US/China doesn't release these publicly doesn't mean they didn't happen. In today's political environment, most things are highly sensitive, private concessions, and incremental at best.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
US political system is designed so that its diplomats can offer nothing. Even things minor like arms sales require Congress approval. This is of course used by American diplomats. They can give false promises without lying on paper.

I wish China had the political manipulation skills of Israel. Israel many times exploited corruption in the US congress to have the US govt do its bidding, sometimes against US interests.
Well, you know Israel has a much much easier job as it is natually non-threatening to the US. Being small and embroiled in conflict, it is by nature, not a competitor to any superpower. Add that to the fact that they are caucasian and happily sit by America's side (for as long as that suits its interests), Israel is basically a puppy dog manipulating its master in some forms. Not a terribly difficult job since most people take care of thier pets for free. Of course a wild wolf with coase thick fur like chainmail, claws and fangs of black steel, the beast that keeps that man fearing for his life every night, isn't going to have the same ease pretending to be his friend and manipulating him.

Israel is such a snake of a nation that I wouldn't at all be surprised if, after anticipating an imminent Chinese victory, it helped China in the last minute finish off American dominance just to always be on the good side of the dominant world power.
The meeting happened today, so concessions were likely made? The US/China doesn't release these publicly doesn't mean they didn't happen. In today's political environment, most things are highly sensitive, private concessions, and incremental at best.
Yeah but at the same time, there's nothing to positively conclude that concessions were made much less what they were. The fact that the Xi meeting was completely unannounced until it happened leads me to think that they were negotiating furiously throughout the night to get it to happen the next day and the negotiations were successful. But what that Americans gave up, I cannot even imagine. I honestly feel that it is mostly likely that they continuously requested it in such a humble, respectful and submissive manner that Xi had to reward that behavior and see Blinken.
 
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KYli

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A hotline for the US to test China's limits. Beside, the US is still sanctioning China top military official which means it is probably illegal for the US to talk to him in the first place.
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China rejected a U.S. offer to set up a direct military line of communication between Washington and Beijing, which is a priority goal for the Biden administration, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Monday.

Blinken’s remarks came at a press conference shortly after he met with
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, a rare exception to diplomatic protocol that signals the seriousness with which Beijing took Blinken’s visit and the relationship.

But Blinken said although he “repeatedly” raised the need for the U.S. and Chinese militaries to have a crisis communication line to quickly tamp down tensions and walk back confrontations, “at this moment, China has not agreed to move forward with that.”

Setting up a crisis hotline is
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for Biden administration officials, who have had their calls ignored in the wake of dangerous confrontations between Chinese and U.S. militaries. This includes close calls in the air and on the South China Sea, a rare Chinese naval provocation in the Taiwan Strait and officials in Beijing refusing to pick up the phone when the U.S. reached out after shooting down a Chinese spy balloon in February.


Following his two-day visit in Beijing, Blinken said Monday the U.S. would continue to press for a direct military-to-military channel, and senior Chinese officials accepted invitations to continue high-level discussions in Washington, framing the visit as making incremental progress on issues upon which there are profound and vehement disagreements.

“If we agree that we have a responsibility to manage this relationship responsibly, if we agree that it’s in our mutual interest, to make sure that the competitive aspects of the relationship don’t veer into conflict, then surely we can agree and see the need for making sure that the channels of communication that we both said are necessary, to do that include military to military channels,” Blinken said.

“So this is something that we’re going to keep working on,” he added. “And as I said, there’s no immediate progress, but it is a continuing priority for us.”
 
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