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TK3600 said:
This is an standard appropriate response to a trap question. Confirming or denying the bait question lock down your negotiation position. The right answer is to say fuck off. This is basically what happened.

So no, refuse to provide answer does not mean yes. It can be "maybe". There is a strong argument for why "maybe" is a better option than yes.

Remember China can provide a lot of aid short of weapon support that can totally tilt the balance. Intelligence, sensor, industrial, discount civilian products, money.

Russia being helped by Chinese direct military aid greatly tarnish their brand. Considering their military industry rely on export mostly this is a very expensive option. Therefore a more invisible kind of military aid is ideal.

That said direct military aid must remain on the table. Ukraine will be compeled to negotiate if Russia could be backed up by big Chinese direct military aid. Sure it looks ugly on Russia, but Ukraine don't care. It is a life or death consideration for Ukraine, and Russia alone is already bad enough. The "maybe" here serves as a stick without consequence of using it. If China can offer a fair deal as a carrot then it is a very compelling offer for Ukraine. Evidently Zelensky is cracking at this offer.
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I agree with you, but only in the current situation. If Russia, however, start losing the war, then China would probably send them weapons.

Russians would have no other choice then, well they could still do tactical nuclear strikes, but is too much of a taboo, even China would probably stop supporting Russia after that.
 
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Serb said:
I agree with you, but only in the current situation. If Russia, however, start losing the war, then China would probably send them weapons.

Russians would have no other choice then, well they could still do tactical nuclear strikes, but is too much of a taboo, even China would probably stop supporting Russia after that.
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This is why maybe is the best pick. You reap all the virtue signaling pacifist bonus if it never happens. If for some reason there is need to provide weapon there is flexibility to change.
 
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Sullivan again warning that there will be cost if China provide weapon to Russia. We've heard that from all sorts of people from the US, that's not the meat of what I'm posting.

This statement from Sullivan has interestingly been taken by both pro-Ukraine and pro-Russian side on weibo to be showing something substantial is really happening between China and Russia. First the seething
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Blah blah we'll become North Korea, etc etc.

Ayi from Guancha who sometimes has inside information also see all the noise from US as
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. He is hinting that some sort of deal really did go down and was not backed off despite US warning. That just as US says it was indeed testing them right up to the red line and all the promise of "no lethal aid" would depend on what your definition of what a "weapon" means. In this case he's quite pleased that China stepped right on top of the red line and US responded by pretending it didn't happen and just keep issuing those warnings. They did not in fact sanction any new Chinese entities on their new sanctions issued on Feb 24th.

What do you guys think it was? I'm still guessing civilian "demilitarized" version of UCAVs.
We haven't seen much sign of Russian Orion UCAV in action. Are they actually being used quietly or they're not a factor in this war?
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I think it was semiconductor related stuff.
 
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Funny bit of western MSM censorship totally ignoring the development where the tank became a true memorial and got covered in flowers and candles.

However, the part I wanted to focus on instead is to ask, they removed all the explosives from the remaining ERA tiles on these tanks, right?!

Normally you wouldn’t think to ask such obvious questions, but the Ukrainians did gift a live (training) grenade launcher to that Polish police chief who then blew up his office while playing around with it.

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Serb said:
I agree with you, but only in the current situation. If Russia, however, start losing the war, then China would probably send them weapons.

Russians would have no other choice then, well they could still do tactical nuclear strikes, but is too much of a taboo, even China would probably stop supporting Russia after that.
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Russia already handed over Ukraine to Southern Military district and that will be transforming it long term so chance of nukes is much less. i will even speculate that extensive use of choppers in Ukraine conflict is not just operational tactical but also creating realistic videos of targets hit and maintain confidence on reliability in Russian machines.
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Russia capitalizes on disillusionment with the United States to win sympathy in the Global South
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The reason are more complex than what this article is saying. it starts with demographic and the kind of people Europe importing that are not looked favorably by wealthy Arabs / Israelis and they have very extensive connections to disrupt things and create soft image in global south. Some in Europa not meet the expectations so message through drones is delivered.
I am sure that Inflation reduction act will put further pressure on Germany. and if Germany still continue this path than there is enough weapons and wealth to corrupt that can close all the mines related to clean tech in Africa and Latin America. this is the end result of all the money printing and free convertibility of currency as wealth is controlled narrow and outside.

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"What we're hearing, especially from the Germans and others, about reengaging with the Gulf, I am encouraged but I would warn that it should not be transactional," Anwar Gargash, the diplomatic advisor to the president of the UAE, told the World Policy Conference in Abu Dhabi. Gargash reiterated a call for "explicit" security assurances from traditional Western allies, especially in dealing with the threat from Iranian drones that Gulf states have long warned about.

It was not until these weapons "made it into the Ukraine theatre" that they were "catapulted" into the spotlight, and "suddenly the world rediscovered this issue", Gargash said.
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