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I doubt any where Russian gov issued figures about Ukraine casualties Only thing was Gen interview early October about ukraine on avg losing 1k per day.
I wonder how the Russians feel about this...
In short, nothing is happening.
The Americans enacted more tech bans against China. No one else really cared.
For the Dutch to have a minister publicly state they will not comply with recent unilateral American actions and demand, just days before the leaders of the two countries would have a meeting, that should tell us the chances of the Dutch agreeing to US bans targeted at China. That would be zero chance.
January 17, 20233:50 PM EST
WASHINGTON, Jan 17 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte held wide-ranging talks on Tuesday that included a discussion on Dutch concerns about new U.S. restrictions on exporting chip-making technology to China.
"It did come up in their conversation," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters after the talks.
Rutte told Biden of Dutch plans to offer the Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine, working together with Germany on an initiative to help Ukraine defend itself from a barrage of missile attacks from Russia.
"I think that it's important we join that and I discussed it also this morning with Olaf Scholz of Germany," Rutte said.
Biden told Rutte he looked forward to discussing ways to strengthen the supply chain as he welcomed the prime minister to the White House. Biden also thanked Rutte for being "very very stalwart" on its support for Ukraine.
Rutte said the Netherlands has decided to spend an additional 2.5 billion euros ($2.70 billion) supporting Ukraine, an announcement the government made previously.
Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher said on Sunday the Netherlands would not summarily accept demands by the United States on chip technology.
Jean-Pierre did not have details of the conversation between Biden and Rutte on chips but said: "We don't push any of our allies or our partners, we consult with each one of them closely and they make their own decisions."
A White House statement on the talks said Biden and Rutte "discussed the importance of secure supply chains and critical technologies to our national security and economic prosperity."
The United States in October adopted sweeping measures to hobble China's ability to make its own chips, and U.S. trade officials said at the time they expected the Netherlands and Japan to implement similar rules soon.
The Netherlands' largest company is ASML Holding, a supplier to the semiconductor industry.
Rutte told reporters on Friday that he did not feel pressure from Washington to adopt more restrictions on semiconductor exports to China.
“This is a terrain where we're a world player and we can conduct discussions about it without immediately talking in terms ... of being 'put under pressure'. I don't experience it like that at all," he said.
No one cares about these US tech restrictions against China. Others care insofar as they want to minimize the fallout of their decision towards that. Notice that the articles did not state whether the Dutch said yes or no. That means it is still open!? (Well, at least that is how it is being reported!)
Biden and Dutch PM discuss semiconductor dispute, Patriots for Ukraine
By Steve HollandWASHINGTON, Jan 17 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte held wide-ranging talks on Tuesday that included a discussion on Dutch concerns about new U.S. restrictions on exporting chip-making technology to China.
"It did come up in their conversation," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters after the talks.
Rutte told Biden of Dutch plans to offer the Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine, working together with Germany on an initiative to help Ukraine defend itself from a barrage of missile attacks from Russia.
"I think that it's important we join that and I discussed it also this morning with Olaf Scholz of Germany," Rutte said.
Biden told Rutte he looked forward to discussing ways to strengthen the supply chain as he welcomed the prime minister to the White House. Biden also thanked Rutte for being "very very stalwart" on its support for Ukraine.
Rutte said the Netherlands has decided to spend an additional 2.5 billion euros ($2.70 billion) supporting Ukraine, an announcement the government made previously.
Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher said on Sunday the Netherlands would not summarily accept demands by the United States on chip technology.
Jean-Pierre did not have details of the conversation between Biden and Rutte on chips but said: "We don't push any of our allies or our partners, we consult with each one of them closely and they make their own decisions."
A White House statement on the talks said Biden and Rutte "discussed the importance of secure supply chains and critical technologies to our national security and economic prosperity."
The United States in October adopted sweeping measures to hobble China's ability to make its own chips, and U.S. trade officials said at the time they expected the Netherlands and Japan to implement similar rules soon.
The Netherlands' largest company is ASML Holding, a supplier to the semiconductor industry.
Rutte told reporters on Friday that he did not feel pressure from Washington to adopt more restrictions on semiconductor exports to China.
“This is a terrain where we're a world player and we can conduct discussions about it without immediately talking in terms ... of being 'put under pressure'. I don't experience it like that at all," he said.
No one cares about these US tech restrictions against China. Others care insofar as they want to minimize the fallout of their decision towards that. Notice that the articles did not state whether the Dutch said yes or no. That means it is still open!? (Well, at least that is how it is being reported!)
But bro to show solidarity the Dutch have to support Biden Ukraine policy and for Brandon that's all matter...lol Rutte sure know how to play the game because for them they are following what the Japanese are doing which is vocal about China Threat BUT reality on the ground they cherish their economics ties.January 17, 20233:50 PM EST
Biden and Dutch PM discuss semiconductor dispute, Patriots for Ukraine
By Steve Holland
WASHINGTON, Jan 17 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte held wide-ranging talks on Tuesday that included a discussion on Dutch concerns about new U.S. restrictions on exporting chip-making technology to China.
"It did come up in their conversation," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters after the talks.
Rutte told Biden of Dutch plans to offer the Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine, working together with Germany on an initiative to help Ukraine defend itself from a barrage of missile attacks from Russia.
"I think that it's important we join that and I discussed it also this morning with Olaf Scholz of Germany," Rutte said.
Biden told Rutte he looked forward to discussing ways to strengthen the supply chain as he welcomed the prime minister to the White House. Biden also thanked Rutte for being "very very stalwart" on its support for Ukraine.
Rutte said the Netherlands has decided to spend an additional 2.5 billion euros ($2.70 billion) supporting Ukraine, an announcement the government made previously.
Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher said on Sunday the Netherlands would not summarily accept demands by the United States on chip technology.
Jean-Pierre did not have details of the conversation between Biden and Rutte on chips but said: "We don't push any of our allies or our partners, we consult with each one of them closely and they make their own decisions."
A White House statement on the talks said Biden and Rutte "discussed the importance of secure supply chains and critical technologies to our national security and economic prosperity."
The United States in October adopted sweeping measures to hobble China's ability to make its own chips, and U.S. trade officials said at the time they expected the Netherlands and Japan to implement similar rules soon.
The Netherlands' largest company is ASML Holding, a supplier to the semiconductor industry.
Rutte told reporters on Friday that he did not feel pressure from Washington to adopt more restrictions on semiconductor exports to China.
“This is a terrain where we're a world player and we can conduct discussions about it without immediately talking in terms ... of being 'put under pressure'. I don't experience it like that at all," he said.
No one cares about these US tech restrictions against China. Others care insofar as they want to minimize the fallout of their decision towards that. Notice that the articles did not state whether the Dutch said yes or no. That means it is still open!? (Well, at least that is how it is being reported!)
Biden Says US, Dutch in ‘Lockstep’ as He Pushes China Chip Curbs
Jenny Leonard and Jennifer Jacobs, Bloomberg News
January 17, 2023
(Bloomberg) -- President Joe Biden said the US and Netherlands were working in “lockstep” over their approach to China and would discuss ways to secure global supply chains during a meeting with Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte at the White House.
“Together we’re working on how to keep a free and open Indo-Pacific. And quite frankly, meet the challenges of China,” Biden said Tuesday during the meeting.
“Simply put, our countries have been so far just lockstep in what we’ve done in our vision for the future,” he added, downplaying tensions over efforts to persuade The Hague to limit exports of the most advanced chipmaking equipment and semiconductor technology to China.
The Netherlands and Japan have agreed in principle to join the US in tightening such controls, though they likely won’t go as far as the sweeping rules the White House announced in October, Bloomberg News reported last month. The US has said the measures are aimed at preventing Beijing’s military from obtaining advanced semiconductors.
The trip will not result in an announcement of any agreement, people familiar with the matter said.
US officials have also stressed that all countries make sovereign decisions and that any potential changes to the Netherlands’s export regime would not occur due to pressure from the Biden administration.
Biden and Rutte also discussed their continued support for Ukraine, as the one-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion approaches next month. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has been pleading with countries to supply him with more heavy duty tanks and air defense capabilities.
“Russia is just continuing to act in ways that are almost unbelievable. The brutality,” said Biden.
The Netherlands is considering sending Ukraine a Patriot system to bolster its air defenses and will make a final decision soon, Bloomberg reported. Rutte said Tuesday said the Netherlands would provide more funding for Kyiv.
“We have decided to spend another two and a half billion in this helping Ukraine,” said Rutte.
The Dutch leader is set to meet lawmakers later on Tuesday.
Well, there we have it folks, Bloomberg has spoken.
The United States and the Netherlands will continue to work together to implement technology agreements that secure the semiconductor supply chain, and further meetings will be done to met that goal.
So, the containment of China continues!
That is the problem. There is no Plan B. Just like President Trump, the Biden people do not have the Plan B either. Their Plan A, is already their Plan B.
What Chinese companies did was stock up on chips, and IC equipment, and the central government started pumping funds into the domestic IC industry, as a counter to the American Plan A. Since Plan B is really still Plan A, there is not much new for the Chinese to do. Kind of funny.
Remember what they say is the definition of insanity.