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Laviduce

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US neolib propaganda and misinformation outlet Business Insider:

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  • Finland's prime minister said Ukraine showed Europe was too reliant on the US for security.
  • "I must be brutally honest with you, Europe isn't strong enough right now," Sanna Marin said.
  • "We would be in trouble without the United States," she added.
Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said Friday the Ukraine war showed Europe was too reliant on the US for its security.

"I must be brutally honest with you, Europe isn't strong enough right now," Marin said in remarks at a think tank in Sydney,
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. "We would be in trouble without the United States."

She added: "The United States has given a lot of weapons, a lot of financial aid, a lot of humanitarian aid to Ukraine, and Europe isn't strong enough yet.

"We have to make sure that we are building those capabilities when it comes to European defense."

IMHO:

The 2014 US coup in Ukraine and Europe's lack of sovereignty and responsible statecraft got Europe into the position it is in today. People like Marin will never acknowledge reality or take responsibility for their actions or the actions of their bosses in Washington DC.

With US / transatlanticist agents (really Quislings) like Marin, Borrell, Von der Lügen, Stoltenberg, etc. at the helm in Europe, Europe is headed towards self-isolation and irrelevance. Their subservient and complicit behavior also emboldens the neocon/neolib US to behave even more recklessly and criminally on the world stage, This will undermine peace and stability around the world even further.

It seems Europe has learned NOTHING from history. Appeasing and even aiding and abetting a nation whose criminal neocon/neolib leadership thinks that they stand above all in the world, will not bring peace and stability to the world. It will do the opposite.

Let's hope for a miracle.
 
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Biscuits

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Phead128 said:
How does South Korea and Japan qualify in semis, but China can't even make an appearance? Is it because Chinese one-childs males don't know how to play together effectively or what? It can't be the money or training or infrastructure, China has tons of that.
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Lol German one child males from even lower fertility than China have no problems at all, at least not in theory although in practice this time they're lacking.

In order to have a good football team you need first the population to have interest in football. Which far from enough people in China have.

German and Brazilian kiddos play football constantly while growing up, most Chinese kids don't. And China might have wealth and the greatest potential infrastructure for athletes if they want it, but that doesn't matter if most of those resources aren't devoted to football due to lacking interest.

If China wants to win the world cup they would need to start successfully on a societal scale to promote football as a national pasttime. Like how it was done with table tennis. Tbh this isn't an entirely crackpot idea, football can provide good health benefits, and it would encourage the use of public owned stadiums.
 
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xypher said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1598822959866683394

The first part of "Twitter files" has been released - Biden and Trump administrations routinely censored speech on Twitter with tweets being sent on "review" by the government:

Prime example, Hunter Biden's story:

This is TOTALLY not censorship unlike the evil SeSePee because if some information is not liked by the American government then it is "corrupting democracy" and misinformation:
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Remember, these are the people that always talk about Chinese censorship, yadda-yadda. Hypocrisy & lying are the staples of Western culture.
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To be honest the more I see Elon go the more I think he is a CPC plant… this does not seem to be that big of a deal and is more so an indictment on twitter employees but now people will think it is because of Elon. China maybe give Tesla some more tax credits to encourage this behavior
 
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Eventine

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Biscuits said:
Lol German one child males from even lower fertility than China have no problems at all, at least not in theory although in practice this time they're lacking.

In order to have a good football team you need first the population to have interest in football. Which far from enough people in China have.

German and Brazilian kiddos play football constantly while growing up, most Chinese kids don't. And China might have wealth and the greatest potential infrastructure for athletes if they want it, but that doesn't matter if most of those resources aren't devoted to football due to lacking interest.

If China wants to win the world cup they would need to start successfully on a societal scale to promote football as a national pasttime. Like how it was done with table tennis. Tbh this isn't an entirely crackpot idea, football can provide good health benefits, and it would encourage the use of public owned stadiums.
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This doesn't explain why South Korea and Japan are able to achieve success, though. Sports also aren't particularly popular in those countries and they have similar degrees of urbanization. I think the problem has nothing to do with talent or lack there of - it has to do with the way the sport is organized and run. In short, its institutional management.

From all that I've been able to collect, the Chinese football league is treated mainly as a money making vehicle by its administrators and that is the main problem. When short-term business interests take precedence over long-term strategic interests, organizations fail. We've seen that song and dance time and time again.

Things they should've never done, and which South Korea and Japan largely avoided:
  • Importing foreign players for tens of millions of dollars because of their popularity
  • Allowing sponsors and advertisers to dictate general league policy
  • Allowing match fixing, bribery, and betting to take over the league
The foundation of any sports program is its talent program and youth league. The Chinese football league deemphasized this in favor of bringing in star players from other countries in order to attract money and attention. It did so because it was essentially serving the interests of sponsors and clubs to make a profit.

That's never been a winning strategy and it shows.
 
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KYli

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Eventine said:
This doesn't explain why South Korea and Japan are able to achieve success, though. Sports also aren't particularly popular in those countries and they have similar degrees of urbanization. I think the problem has nothing to do with talent or lack there of - it has to do with the way the sport is organized and run. In short, its institutional management.
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Football is quite popular in Japan. Football is the second most popular sport in both Japan and South Korea after baseball. Beside, Japan has after school sports that go back to decades. China simply doesn't have many people playing professional football. They like to watch football but not many of them participate in football or allow their children participate in football.
Eventine said:
From all that I've been able to collect, the Chinese football league is treated mainly as a money making vehicle by its administrators and that is the main problem. When short-term business interests take precedence over long-term strategic interests, organizations fail. We've seen that song and dance time and time again.

Things they should've never done, and which South Korea and Japan largely avoided:
  • Importing foreign players for tens of millions of dollars because of their popularity
  • Allowing sponsors and advertisers to dictate general league policy
  • Allowing match fixing, bribery, and betting to take over the league
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That's not true. Both Japan and South Korea have imported many top old players in EU or Brazil during their ascendance and building of their leagues. Japan was criticized by its people for wasting a ton of money to import foreign players.

Match fixing in both South Korea and Japan is rampant and even worse than China Super leagues. Anyone in the gambling community knew that Japan has match fixing problems. I am not saying corruption isn't the big reason why China was doing badly in football but your reasons are simply wrong.

Eventine said:
The foundation of any sports program is its talent program and youth league. The Chinese football league deemphasized this in favor of bringing in star players from other countries in order to attract money and attention. It did so because it was essentially serving the interests of sponsors and clubs to make a profit.

That's never been a winning strategy and it shows.
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Here I would agree with you. However, it isn't that the Chinese football league doesn't want to promote young players. It is just simply 90s and early 00s are the dark age of Chinese football when young players dropped to hundreds to choose from.

The reason is that before 90s, the state sponsored sports schools have recruited many children to play professional football with incentives and free of charges. After 90s, when the football become professional and privatized, football clubs just didn't invest in such talent programs and sports schools no longer existed. Many youngsters either went to colleges or work since playing football made too little money. The total collapse of Chinese football became visible in late 00s and early 10s when national team was forced to choose from old players as young players just bad due to small pool of them.

In the late 10s, the football league finally realized their shortcoming but it is too late as it would take decades just get back on their feet. In addition, too much hot money flowed in at that time that many talent players decided to stay home and earn money instead of risking their future in EU. That means most of them would never get the chance to improve themselves to be a better player.
 
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When studying abroad in Argentina, I often saw children playing football. You'd see a small patch of grass or a small park, and there would be kids playing football (and passing the ball correctly to each other). In the United States you often see organized matches in parks. Not coincidentally, Argentina is a football power and the United States often makes it to the second round.

In China, you rarely see people playing football. They watch but do not play. Living in China, I would go months without seeing kids playing football. If people in a country don't play a sport, no matter how large its population, it will not be successful at that sport.

Chinese parents emphasize studying over sports. Their kids have little chance of making it as athletes but can do well with a STEM degree.

There are advantages to having a country's kids study STEM. You get stuff like Alibaba, Huawei, TikTok, high-speed rail, the J-20, and a space station. The disadvantage is that your national football team sucks.

Argentine kids study football and not STEM. Argentina gets the Argentine economy and Lionel Messi. Chinese kids study football and not STEM. China gets the Chinese economy and the Chinese men's national football team.
 
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