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Minm

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Macron and Scholz aren't going to offer anything to China. You guys are far too rational and are forgetting the arrogance of western Europe. They're going to spend half their time insulting China by repeating nonsense about Xinjiang. Then, when the Chinese side is as pissed off as possible, they're going to ask for more market access and "fair" trading practices. The whole thing is a waste of time
 

CMP

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I don't expect much of value to be discussed, Ukraine topic will probably be completely avoided except for EU indirectly asking for industrial and energy aid. Which will probably be denied.

EU isn't smart enough to create a backroom deal. And they don't have enough leverage. The only major thing they can offer is to leave US bloc, but unless US itself collapses, they won't be able to, Washington's grip on them is like USSR's grip on the SSRs.

Beijing itself likely cares little about the chips war. For them it's just a way to let private companies improve in competitiveness, since the govt already has access to everything they need. If they're suddenly desperate they can just nationalize TSMC.

I think best case scenario, China can help Ukraine retain sea access and return of Kherson and Zaporozhiya oblasts, if EU promises that should US invade China, EU will refuse to aid America.

Otherwise, Russia will not stop until Ukraine is at least landlocked and honestly tactical Ukraine successes due to numerical advantage matters little. Because Russia has not even committed most of its forces, let alone conscripted troops, and according to the same doctrine China applied with the Korean war, China will never let Ukraine "win" (as in enter Crimea or even just the LDPR). There's several levels of escalation both Russia itself and China can take, example: Russia openly declaring war, China shipping weapons through Iran, China directly shipping weapons to Russia, Russia instituting draft, and so on. While NATO has escalated as far as possible besides directly attacking Russia.
Promises are worthless. Even if the EU promised it now to get something in the short term, there's no way to force them to follow through when the time comes.

Forget about anything else. EU can't be trusted until they grow a backbone and sign CAI otherwise its all hot air

Comrade Scholz and Little Napoleon can boast all they want but if they can't even manage to have CAI signed it means they aren't even qualified to ask China for any "favour" or help
Let's hope they never sign CAI, as that's a sweetheart deal for them and not so great for China. It was politically designed to give EU more economic incentive to form a separate pole apart from the 5 eyes, rather than for economic benefits for China.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Promises are worthless. Even if the EU promised it now to get something in the short term, there's no way to force them to follow through when the time comes.


Let's hope they never sign CAI, as that's a sweetheart deal for them and not so great for China. It was politically designed to give EU more economic incentive to form a separate pole apart from the 5 eyes, rather than for economic benefits for China.
The west can't be trusted, they shuffle everything under the banner national security. They can pull up sanctions to break contracts.
I think Russia calls the west "Negotiable unable" or something like that.
 

BoraTas

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Macron and Scholz aren't going to offer anything to China. You guys are far too rational and are forgetting the arrogance of western Europe. They're going to spend half their time insulting China by repeating nonsense about Xinjiang. Then, when the Chinese side is as pissed off as possible, they're going to ask for more market access and "fair" trading practices. The whole thing is a waste of time
Do you remember those thinly veiled threats against China when the invasion first started? They were talking about sanctioning China. Now because of 20% inflation they don't. The tragicomical part is China might have had enough influence on Russia to stop the war when the war was new. Now, there are too many sunk costs and China wouldn't be able to stop the war even if it wanted. The current European leaders are delusional fantasists, nothing more.
 

alfreddango

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Macron and Scholz aren't going to offer anything to China. You guys are far too rational and are forgetting the arrogance of western Europe. They're going to spend half their time insulting China by repeating nonsense about Xinjiang. Then, when the Chinese side is as pissed off as possible, they're going to ask for more market access and "fair" trading practices. The whole thing is a waste of time
if these kind of negotiations had taken place before the recent ukrainian conflict, it would have been understandable for china to concede something in an effort to delay sino-european decoupling
these days there's no point trying to keep them particularly friendly at china's own expense, when taiwan kicks off they'll still sanction like there's no tomorrow
 

emblem21

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Que a State Department clarification very soon.
Yeah, with a collapsing economy and a rail strike in coming and with the USA using up there strategic reserves in oil to lower inflation to get by the mid terms and well basically a rapid de-dollarization taking place with the USA having no way of winning back other nations except causing trouble like an annoying little b!tch that refuses to knock it off, well all I can say is 'bring it on b!tch' and when everything falls apart in the USA, demand yuan for any chinese goods in the future and if the nation ends up becoming a combination of 'the purge' and 'mad max', well they should leave China the 'f@ck out' of that nonsense of there own making. Its their own fault for electing a man that clearly needs a diaper into office so now he either gets things fix or leave it to, I don't know, Trump to make America great again, I mean we all saw how that turned out.
 
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