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Strangelove

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I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing, but I imagine in a few months or so the US side will accuse Chinese authorities for giving partial or fake audit records lol.

It seems like a small concession from the US to keep some Chinese firms in NY.... maybe with pressure from US institutional investors to ram this agreement through. If more Chinese firms delist in NY and relist in HK, US would have even less control and investigative powers. The five Chinese SOEs delisitng all at once 2 weeks ago scared them. Regardless, Amerikkkunt pirates can't be trusted, Chinese firms need to keep delisting NY and relist in China... US institutional investors can bring their money to HK and Shanghai, if they and NY authorities don't like it...too fucking bad.


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The U.S. side must obtain audit working papers and other documents through the Chinese regulatory authority, and conduct inquiries with the relevant personnel of the accounting firm with the participation and assistance of the Chinese side.
 
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MortyandRick

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Maybe CSRC don't want to tell what concessions they give. Seems CN concessions are major, unfettered access without redactions.
But the real test will be whether the words agreed to on paper translate into complete access in practice.
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Or maybe the PCAOB didn't get much but didn't want to lose face and will just complain that china didn't hold to their part of the bargain in the future even though it was never part of the agreement anyways. The US did stuff like that when they were negotiating the phase one trade agreement. People became more trustful of info from the Chinese side regarding the phase one agreement than the American side.
 

9dashline

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Or maybe the PCAOB didn't get much but didn't want to lose face and will just complain that china didn't hold to their part of the bargain in the future even though it was never part of the agreement anyways. The US did stuff like that when they were negotiating the phase one trade agreement. People became more trustful of info from the Chinese side regarding the phase one agreement than the American side.
Biden will do anything for a transitory win...

The student loan forgiveness thing is a complete fraud. The root of the problem is overpriced useless education, instead of forcing universities to refund, forgive or even reform and restructure to bring costs down, all this Act did was pass the buck onto the folks who did play by the rules and managed to pay back their loans or who never took out a loan, aka the rest of tax payers are paying for this.. so basically more cost inflation on the horizon completely wiping out the so called Anti inflation act by 3x... truly take one step forwards but 3 steps backwards game is being played.... at this point all the US is doing is reshuffling chairs on the deck of the sinking Titanic
 

manqiangrexue

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Maybe CSRC don't want to tell what concessions they give. Seems CN concessions are major, unfettered access without redactions.
But the real test will be whether the words agreed to on paper translate into complete access in practice.
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Nah, it's just American politicians doing their jobs lying to Americans pretending they were tough when they got walked all over. Generally, when America and China interact, as long as the US left with their dignity somewhat intact, they will brag all over media about how they put the Chinese in their place, won a resounding victory for the current administration which deserves to be re-elected. Any statement short of that indicates the eagle got sent home with its feathers plucked.
 

Petrolicious88

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Biden will do anything for a transitory win...

The student loan forgiveness thing is a complete fraud. The root of the problem is overpriced useless education, instead of forcing universities to refund, forgive or even reform and restructure to bring costs down, all this Act did was pass the buck onto the folks who did play by the rules and managed to pay back their loans or who never took out a loan, aka the rest of tax payers are paying for this.. so basically more cost inflation on the horizon completely wiping out the so called Anti inflation act by 3x... truly take one step forwards but 3 steps backwards game is being played.... at this point all the US is doing is reshuffling chairs on the deck of the sinking Titanic
Unfair to people that worked hard, worked 2 jobs to pay off their tuitions. Its their own fault that they majored in a useless degree, and are now 100k in debt. Government shouldn't have to bail you out. Not how life works.
 

FriedButter

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Maybe because CSRC don't want to tell what concessions they give. Seems CN concessions are major, unfettered access without redactions.
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You mean this ~1,700 word long statement from China vs the ~300 word long statement from the US?

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If you want to circlejerk yourself in a corner at least compare the statements before commenting on it.
 

siegecrossbow

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Biden will do anything for a transitory win...

The student loan forgiveness thing is a complete fraud. The root of the problem is overpriced useless education, instead of forcing universities to refund, forgive or even reform and restructure to bring costs down, all this Act did was pass the buck onto the folks who did play by the rules and managed to pay back their loans or who never took out a loan, aka the rest of tax payers are paying for this.. so basically more cost inflation on the horizon completely wiping out the so called Anti inflation act by 3x... truly take one step forwards but 3 steps backwards game is being played.... at this point all the US is doing is reshuffling chairs on the deck of the sinking Titanic

Real question is why do some of these degrees cost so much in the first place if there is little to no ROI.
 

FriedButter

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1. Q: What is the significance of signing the China-US Audit and Supervision Cooperation Agreement?
It establishes a supervision cooperation mechanism for the two sides to carry out daily inspections and law enforcement cooperation on accounting firms within the scope of mutual supervision.

This agreement allows China to inspect US firms if they wanted to in the US mainland as well

2. Q: What are the main contents of the Sino-US audit supervision cooperation agreement?
First, establish the principle of reciprocity. The terms of the agreement are equally binding on both parties. Both China and the United States may, in accordance with their statutory duties, conduct inspections and investigations on relevant firms within the jurisdiction of the other party, and the requested party shall try its best to provide adequate assistance to the extent permitted by law.
The second is to clarify the scope of cooperation. The scope of the cooperation agreement includes assisting the other party to carry out inspections and investigations of relevant firms. Among them, the scope of assistance provided by the Chinese side also involves some Hong Kong firms that provide audit services for China concept stocks and whose audit manuscripts are stored in the mainland.
The third is to clarify the way of cooperation. The two sides will communicate and coordinate the inspection and investigation plan in advance. The U.S. side must obtain the audit papers and other documents through the Chinese regulatory authority, and conduct interviews and inquiries with the relevant personnel of the accounting firm with the participation and assistance of the Chinese side.

Chinese authorities are still involved in giving the US audit papers alongside their participation and assistance in any interviews and inquiries. Also this agreement is equally binding. China is allowed to conduct their own audits in the US in the same way that the US will conduct theirs in China

3. Q: What is the purpose of carrying out cross-border audit supervision cooperation?
In order to perform its audit and supervision responsibilities for the above firms, PCAOB needs to establish cooperative relations with Chinese regulatory authorities and implement cross-border regulatory cooperation. Similarly, if Chinese regulators need to implement audit supervision on US accounting firms within their own supervision, they must also do so through the supervision cooperation mechanism.

4. Q: What is the role of audit working papers in cross-border audit supervision cooperation?
It should be noted that the direct object of audit supervision is the accounting firm, not the listed company it audits.

The supervision of accounting firms will inevitably involve audit working papers… The main function of audit working papers is to record whether auditors have dutifully verified the accuracy of financial information such as corporate income and expenditure in accordance with auditing standards, and therefore generally do not include sensitive information such as state secrets, personal privacy, or underlying corporate data.

Interesting enough is that it says that the accounting firm is the main target of auditing and not the company itself that is listed will be audited. Obviously, this is due to the equally binding clause. The US will never allow direct Chinese inspections of internal US companies and vice versa.

5. Question: Under the framework of the cooperation agreement, if the audit working papers contain some sensitive information, can they get the necessary protection?

The Sino-US audit supervision cooperation agreement will carry out the inspection and investigation activities of the relevant accounting firms by both parties under the cooperation framework. The two parties will fully communicate and coordinate in advance. The audit working papers and other documents that the U.S. side must review will be assisted by the Chinese regulatory agency. supply. At the same time, the cooperation agreement clearly stipulates the processing and use of sensitive information that may be involved in audit supervision cooperation, and sets up special processing procedures for specific data such as personal information, which provides a feasible way for both parties to perform their statutory supervision duties while protecting the security of relevant information. path.

Chinese authorities are still involved in the auditing process including any sensitive data as per from Q2 that Chinese authorities will review the papers before handing them over. So the US can’t demand secrets or data without the involvement of Chinese authorities.

In all, this agreement doesn’t look bad at all due to the equally binding clause. This clause will limit the ability of the US since if they want to inspect anything in China then the same right is given to Chinese inspection to anything in the US. We all know the US will never allow China to inspect sensitive data of US companies and vice versa.
 
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