Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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siegecrossbow

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Why hype up the impending what looks like an eventual visit if Pres.Xi is simply going to go with this recent spiel? Those who play with fire, shall be given a gift of fireworks.

And how is China and the mainland Chinese supposed to win the hearts and minds sphere when every chance or media they absorb are full of CCP evil, CCP genocide, CCP stolen tech, invasion of Taiwan, debt trap with all of them funded by Taiwanese government and other prominent Chinese who hates the CCP.

What tools are they going to be given in order to compete the battle space with some chance of actual winning?

And if the latest response from the government would be say tepid (am not saying that this is what will happen) at best then it'll simply incentivize China's enemies to make another visit or America/Europe exact another sanctions by yet another made up, trumped up allegations.

Well, I guess it's better to live in peace and just absorb every attack for nowm

This.

The tepid response to Doklam emboldened the Jai Hinds to attempt Galwan, which led to bloodshed anyway.
 

ember

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What I am refering to is the specific threat by China against Taiwan on destroying the TSMC plants in Taiwan
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Destroying the plants will not help China achieve any of that.

As we chess players like to say: "The threat is more powerful than the execution". I remember when during the war in Yugoslavia the Serbs threatened to blow up the Krško nuclear power plant in Slovenia. That had everyone on the edge of their seats and a few days later the Brioni agreement was signed.

Just because China threatens TSMC doesn't mean they have to follow through with it.
 

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This is just a hillarious speculation on my part: What if she's been diagnosed with a terminal disease anyway or her husband maybe about to be implicated for his financial dealings (stocks and all the potential charges and jail time would see her husband to pretty spend the rest of days in jail) or both that her going down in literal flames is her way to go out in the blaze of glory in the service of her God (she's Catholic) and country.
Who dares to investigate her? People like to say she is 3rd in line after Joe-senile-puppet-Biden and Kamala-nobody-Harris, but I believe Pelosi is calling all the shots right now.

My take is she is trying to start a war and I can see three reasons for her:
  • Personal reason.
    Like others have said, she wants to leave behind a legacy. She obviously has an enormous savior complex.
  • Geopolitical reason.
    Bring down China. Whether she lands in Taiwan or not, it is going to be a win for her, and she clearly has no intention of dying.
  • Domestic reason.
    The democrats can't lose an election if there is no election. *taps temple* I think photoshopping her face into the "I love democracy" meme will perfectly describe the not so distance future. If she is granted emergency power, then the Republicans better watch out.
If she is indeed trying to start a war, then it is masterfully played. The US military is basically left with no other choice right now but to collide with Chinese military.
 

5unrise

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I always end up having similar views to Tom Fowdy :) I think the same about Taiwan too. The problem here is Taiwan itself and its hostility against China. In addition to that Taiwan made itself a huge liability to China and it is actively hurting China's foreign relations. We talk about 1996 here but China's power is not the only difference here. Taiwan of 2022 is, by all means, an adversary to China. It went as far as funding China hawks, lobbying for anti-China policies in the US and supporting riots against Chinese people in the Solomon Islands. The current crisis is not only between the USA and China. This is why I think the use of force against Taiwan is possible. And Pelosi's visit is a perfect opportunity to give a reality check to Taiwanese and reverse 6 years of salami slicing in a matter of days.

The public discourse in Taiwan on China is highly divisive. There are supporters of China, and there are fervent secessionist elements. Taiwan has a non-functional democracy in the sense that it is non-inclusive - it is essentially a winner-take-all democracy that does not attempt to incorporate the viewpoints of the losers. This has fostered a dissatisfied and ideological independence movement under President Ma, and in the long-run will lead to further social divisions as a result of the incumbent Tsai. What you are seeing results from the fact that the pro-secessionist element is in power, and therefore are doing everything possible to maximise their chances of achieving their ideological goal of independence.

But the current tension does not have to remain that way. Indeed, even under the previous administration Ma, cross-strait relations were very cordial, or even friendly at times, with both Taipei and Beijing coordinating informally on issues such as Diaoyu and SCS. So, while I agree Taiwan is currently a liability, I disagree that Taiwan so long as it has autonomy will necessarily remain adversarial to China. The pendulum in Taiwan can swing very quickly, for reasons I have mentioned. The problem here is the external influence in that swing.

The biggest problem and culprit in the scene is the foreign backers of the DPP - namely the United States. China should be directing its dissatisfaction and anger towards its real adversary. The US will back the status-quo elements in Taiwan when it suits them - for example during the so-called War on Terror. The US needed China's acquiescence back then, and therefore needed to bring the renegade President Chen to heel. Chen was not supposed to have won the 2000 election had it not been for the internal fracture within the KMT, and even after his victory he lacked the majority to govern properly. Now, the incentive for the US to maintain the status quo has decreased sharply, and the sense of urgency to stop China's rise has taken priority. This led the US to step up its overt and covert support for DPP.

I still believe as Chinese power continues to grow relative to the US, a peaceful resolution is within reach. This will require more time, but it is time that China has. Among the Taiwanese independence movement, there is a sobering perception that time is running out. They are aware that the military balance is shifting quickly and irrevocably in China's favour with every passing year, not just vis-à-vis Taiwan, but also vis-à-vis the US. This means there is a real urgency for the independence movement to provoke a conflict in the next couple of years, before the 'window of opportunity' (that exists in their mind) for Taiwan and its Western backers to win closes entirely. While war is of course terrible, they think if Taiwan needs to fight one to achieve independence, it needs to be now. I actually think this is one observation the Chinese mainlanders can agree with the Taiwanese secessionists on - that the latter's dream is on a clock, and one that is fast approaching 12. In a few years, it is very likely the secessionists will have to submit to the reality that the 'window of opportunity' has closed, and I think many would give up and/or emigrate to Western countries. When this happens, Taiwan would have no recourse but to either initiate negotiations for a peaceful resolution, or at least act on the basis that its autonomy is a privilege granted by Beijing, not a right. This is particularly true if the US were to be distracted by some other issues, either internal or in other parts of the world, like Eastern Europe. On balance, it is too early to convince ourselves that China absolutely must use brute force, at least not yet! We should continue to see wisdom in Beijing's view that it strives to achieve peaceful unification, with the use of force only as a last resort.
 

jwnz

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This is illogical. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid response to the number of warheads China has. "I don't know, therefore it has a massive secret arsenal" is not a valid inference.

There's also the issue of how many warheads China actually has vs. how many the US thinks it has. The former is unknowable unless you're a very senior Chinese military official or the Chinese president. The latter is a very public number: 350 give or take a few dozen. This is what the US is taking into account in planning a nuclear war against China, so for all intents and purposes this is the number of warheads China has.

Like I said, if China has a secret stockpile of warheads somewhere (and there's no reason to believe it does other than wishful thinking), then it had better announce it soon because they're doing no good staying secret. In addition, even if China has substantially more then it still wouldn't be at parity with the US. There's no way it can do that without creating new fissile material and that would be known very quickly.
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