Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Strangelove]

As I have mentioned, China has multiple covid mRNA vaccines in the pipeline. It is just that they are not prioritized. Beside the most promising vaccine in China right now is Clover subunit vaccine which has a better first phase trial result than Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax.

Sinovac vaccine is based upon traditional inactivated method that has proven to be safe. Sinovac vaccines have reported lower side effects than Pfizer in all other countries except Hong Kong. Given how Hong Kongers and the media of Hong Kong have always been bias against anything China, these kinds of negative publicity is guarantee. As for efficacy rate, mRNA might offer a better efficacy rate but no one knows how it fares with new mutated version. Astrazeneca failed miserably with the SA variant, J&J and Novavax didn't perform well either.

In HK, around 7 people have complications or have died from the Sinovac vaccine, out of around 150,000 people who took the Sinovac vaccine so far, there was some hype in the yellow media, The past few days there have were complications and deaths from BioNTech. All these folks who kicked the bucket had the full range of health problems, including typically high blood pressure and diabetes.

Currently only Sinovac and BioNTech are available in HK

I took the first shot of Sinovac vaccine this afternoon, with no issues at all. Bookings are full and people are showing up, despite the media claiming "many are walking away from their bookings because of vaccine deaths".

 

[voyager1]

In HK, around 7 people have complications or have died from the Sinovac vaccine, out of around 150,000 people who took the Sinovac vaccine so far, there was some hype in the yellow media, The past few days there have were complications and deaths from BioNTech. All these folks who kicked the bucket had the full range of health problems, including typically high blood pressure and diabetes.

Currently only Sinovac and BioNTech are available in HK

I took the first shot of Sinovac vaccine this afternoon, with no issues at all. Bookings are full and people are showing up, despite the media claiming "many are walking away from their bookings because of vaccine deaths".

Media's general reporting during the covid period was criminal in my opinion. It is high time for the world to start enacting serious regulations and laws leading to jail (yeah no bs fines) for media reporting. China has long started on this, and it seems that the Western world has also just woken up to this threat.

Time to shut down these criminals who with their biased and false reporting are driving people to their death

 

[KYli]

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It is more like these expatriates want special treatment.

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[KYli]

Sinovac vaccine looks promising for preventing and stopping vaccinated people from getting sick in Chile.

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“People over 70, most of whom have already been vaccinated, have almost disappeared from our emergency rooms,” Ugarte told Al Jazeera on Wednesday.

“Now, we have younger patients, but some gravely ill.”

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[Tyler]

As I have mentioned, China has multiple covid mRNA vaccines in the pipeline. It is just that they are not prioritized. Beside the most promising vaccine in China right now is Clover subunit vaccine which has a better first phase trial result than Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax.

Sinovac vaccine is based upon traditional inactivated method that has proven to be safe. Sinovac vaccines have reported lower side effects than Pfizer in all other countries except Hong Kong. Given how Hong Kongers and the media of Hong Kong have always been bias against anything China, these kinds of negative publicity is guarantee. As for efficacy rate, mRNA might offer a better efficacy rate but no one knows how it fares with new mutated version. Astrazeneca failed miserably with the SA variant, J&J and Novavax didn't perform well either.

They should have given more priority to mRNA vaccines. Are traditional vaccines any better against variants? How easy it is to adapt traditional vaccines against variants?

 

[KYli]

They should have given more priority to mRNA vaccines. Are traditional vaccines any better against variants? How easy it is to adapt traditional vaccines against variants?

It will be foolish for the Chinese government not to place its bet on inactivated vaccines when raw materials can be sourced domestically, facilities are ready to scale up to 2 billions doses at ease, and Chinese scientists have a lot of experience of developing inactivated vaccines. Inactivated vaccines are also proven to be safe and more resilience than other vaccines. On the other hand, mRNA vaccine is simply not ready as raw materials, R&D, and facilities all require time to develop and scale up and deploy in China.

Inactivated vaccines should be more resilience than other vaccines against variants. mRNA requires 4-6 weeks for developing a new vaccine for variants. Inactivated vaccines requires 8 weeks to develop a new vaccine. Due to the advancement of technology, mRNA advantage of rapid development has been undercut.

Also both Subunit vaccine and viral vector vaccine have a lot of potential. So don't dismiss them either.

 

[taxiya]

Have any of these Chinese vaccines received formal approval from the WTO yet? They need approval before they can establish reciprocal vaccine passports recognition with other countries.

Since you are talking about reciprocal recognition, I think no western made vaccine will get approval by China without Chinese vaccines get approval in western countries. WTO can not make reciprocal approval as that is up to the national agencies. WTO's approval is only for its COVAX scheme.

 

[taxiya]

From what I know China has a mRNA vaccine currently undergoing trials.But here is the trick, the vaccine is a partnership between BioNTech and Fosun Pharma so the technology as far as I am aware is ownwed by BioNTech (German Company).

If China doesn't have any other mRNA vaccines then this shows thats its pharmaceutical capabilities are not world class.

China has two mRNA programs. They have NOTHING to do with any foreign companies. One team is headed by Zhong Nanshan (钟南山) and Zhang Biliang (张必良), the other is by 陈薇 (Chen Wei) and Qin Chengfeng (秦成峰) from Military Medicine Academy which also developed (headed by Chen Wei) the CanSino vaccine.

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Manufacturing facility began construction December 2020. To be completed in 8 months (August 2021), begin supply thereafter. Capacity 1.2 billion a year.

The Fosun Pharma thing is only about Fosun to distribute BioNTech vaccine in China. And we don't even know if it will ever materialize.

P.S. is it your habit (the 2nd time) to conclude "China's pharmaceutical capabilities are not world class" without seriously gathering information?

 

[voyager1]

China has two mRNA programs. They have NOTHING to do with any foreign companies. One team is headed by Zhong Nanshan (钟南山) and Zhang Biliang (张必良), the other is by 陈薇 (Chen Wei) and Qin Chengfeng (秦成峰) from Military Medicine Academy which also developed (headed by Chen Wei) the CanSino vaccine.

The Fosun Pharma thing is only about Fosun to distribute BioNTech vaccine in China. And we don't even know if it will ever do so.

P.S. why are you so keen (the 2nd time) to conclude "China's pharmaceutical capabilities are not world class" before seriously gathering information?

Thanks for clearing it up.
My information is what I can actually read. I dont know chinese, so the most I can do is translate some websites but thats not much, and most of the chinese websites are limited in functionality and I have to download their app, to see all their content, which is not available in my country.

China should seriously up their media game, I cant even read detailed up-to-date information on their vaccines in an English based website

BTW nothing personal on their capabilities, that was my observation based on the sources I have available which is why I started my previous post with "From what I know ..."

Anyway, because it seems you know more about it, do you know the status of these 2 vaccines? What Phase trials (II, III ?), what is their production capacity, where are they doing their tests (foreign countries, or domestically), when is the estimate day of completing the trials and start mass producing them?

 

[taxiya]

Thanks for clearing it up.
My information is what I can actually read. I dont know chinese, so the most I can do is translate some websites but thats not much, and most of the chinese websites are limited in functionality and I have to download their app, to see all their content, which is not available in my country.

China should seriously up their media game, I cant even read detailed up-to-date information on their vaccines in an English based website

BTW nothing personal on their capabilities, that was my observation based on the sources I have available which is why I started my previous post with "From what I know ..."

Anyway, because it seems you know more about it, do you know the status of these 2 vaccines? What Phase trials (II, III ?), what is their production capacity, where are they doing their tests (foreign countries, or domestically), when is the estimate day of completing the trials and start mass producing them?

About the "media game", I don't see a chance for China in western countries if the people are "brainwashed" with negative image of China for hundreds of years ever since the defeat of China in 1848. So I don't see a point to get in the game. This sounds pessimistic but IMO closer to the reality. Just dig into the Chinese history for a reference, it took Chinese several major defeats since 1848 at the hand of European powers before Chinese accepted the fact that the west was more advanced in technology, industry, military and finally institutions. I don't think majority of westerners would do any better in changing their attitude without a series of major event (I mean defeat) than the Chinese did in the 19th century. We are all humans, so we are equally dumb.

It is my mistake that I some how get the idea that you are oversea Chinese, so I assumed that you can read Chinese news and follow them. I apologize for getting personal. But by no means was I intended to attack you, more of teasing.

As of the progress. I don't have more information. Early report said that the trail is ongoing but without specifics. I will post in this thread if any new information comes up.