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[cn_habs]

Some pictures at the scene:

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The submarine is almost submerged. Charred quayside indicated that the fire/explosion is quite serious.

The rescue personnel standing on top of the damaged sub looks so untrained and unprofessional to me judging from its stance and uniform. There wasn't even any rescue equipment in sight.

Had it exploded in deep sea, does the Indian navy have any submarine rescue ships at all? If the wiki page (

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) is up to date then it may be time for India to get some.

 

[Zool]

The Naval Facilities where this occurred in Mumbai are not to Western, Chinese or Russian standards (also extremely close to dense residential area). Plans have been in place to transfer vessels to the Karwar Naval Base once additional construction there is complete.

Root cause will take some time to determine as there were obvious secondary explosions.

Russia having worked on the vessel as recently as January is distancing itself from responsibility (

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) and India is avoiding open discussion around crew or procedural failure. Indeed there is a fair bit of talk around sabotage at the moment (

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), which seems unlikely.

The most interesting subject which some are now carefully discussing, is whether India is ready to operate an indigenous design & build SSBN/SSN. What if this occurred aboard Arihant in such a densely populated area?

Hopefully the positive that comes from this is that all Submariner Services review their procedures so that these types of incidents can be avoided in future.

Cheers,
Zool

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Considering the number of

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and their continued Nuclear Submarine operations as well as American incidents too. I am pretty Sure India will be keeping it's goals the Question is what steps will they take from now on?

 

[Jeff Head]

The rescue personnel standing on top of the damaged sub looks so untrained and unprofessional to me judging from its stance and uniform. There wasn't even any rescue equipment in sight.

Sorry, habs, I do not see it that way at all. Those guys look like personnel who are assessing what happened...and they are actually in a fairly dangerous area.

At the point this picture was taken, there may have been nothing more they could do until they got more equipment there, or until they ensured that no volatile gases or liquids continued to leak.

I was surprised to see the Defense Minister there, the following day, right next to the sub before they have even assessed what happened. Maybe they do not realize it (and then perhaps they do but thought it their duty to stand in solidarity with those sailors), but that area near the sub could still be extremely dangerous.

Anyhow, just my two cents.

 

[Blitzo]

I'd like to wait until this event is over until we judge the Indian response to this tragedy.

But if what we see in those pictures is all the rescue operation offers, the Indian navy needs to take a serious look at itself.
That reddit thread about a USN officer's experiences on INS Delhi should remain fresh in our memory.

 

[SteelBird]

Since it's so near to the ground (port) and water is so shallow, why don't just just lift it up to the ground? Do they have facilities to lift the thousand-tons object off water?

 

[MwRYum]

Since it's so near to the ground (port) and water is so shallow, why don't just just lift it up to the ground? Do they have facilities to lift the thousand-tons object off water?

If you count in the water that got into the wrecked sub, that's not just "thousand-tons" but by several folds more heavy. If the breach is too large to patch or isolate before pumping out the excess water to begin lifting, then it could be just as complicated as to lifting the strucken Kursk SSGN.

Still, that boat is goner.

 

[asif iqbal]

The Naval Facilities where this occurred in Mumbai are not to Western, Chinese or Russian standards (also extremely close to dense residential area). Plans have been in place to transfer vessels to the Karwar Naval Base once additional construction there is complete.

Root cause will take some time to determine as there were obvious secondary explosions.

Russia having worked on the vessel as recently as January is distancing itself from responsibility (

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) and India is avoiding open discussion around crew or procedural failure. Indeed there is a fair bit of talk around sabotage at the moment (

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), which seems unlikely.

The most interesting subject which some are now carefully discussing, is whether India is ready to operate an indigenous design & build SSBN/SSN. What if this occurred aboard Arihant in such a densely populated area?

Hopefully the positive that comes from this is that all Submariner Services review their procedures so that these types of incidents can be avoided in future.

Cheers,
Zool

they were handling live ammunition, i believe it was a mis-handling issue which cause the first strike rest of secondary

 

[stack]

they were handling live ammunition, i believe it was a mis-handling issue which cause the first strike rest of secondary

Why live ammunition is present in the vessel when the sub is in a civilian dock for maintenance? Shouldn't all ammunition be removed for such activities? Anyway, I thought is with the families of those sailors who died in the accident, I believe it takes a special breed of people who is willing and able to serve in an enclosed metal cylinder without windows which can be your coffin anytime. It is difficult to imagine the horror when the accident happened. These are very brave men, all submariners are for that matter.

 

[no_name]

Apparently they were loading club missiles when one of the crew made a mistake and shorted the circuit, firing off two of them by accident. One strike the dock, igniting it and damaging another nearby submarine. The second missile exploded inside the sub, causing it to sink.

They will need to get the other submarine repaired in Russia.