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bingo

Junior Member
MwRYum said:
Or blame China, for that matter? Both are the usual scapegoat.

Anyway, by the clip the explosion was pretty violent, looks like the torpedo payload gone off or something.
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Well, PRC has been nice too. It never blamed India, when the Ming 361 submarine sank with 70 brave and patriotic chinese going down dead, in 2003.

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No point trading cheap potshots at each other, when both stay in glass houses.

It was an unfortunate accident.

It can happen to anyone, USA included (they actually had 10 of them, while PRC and India both had one each).
 
plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
no_name said:
I think they might decide to scrap the sub altogether, judging by the scale of the damage. It's a shame really that she was refitted just a year ago.
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Latest reports the sub is mostly sunk, which combined with the footage of the massive fire and huge explosions, makes it extremely unlikely that the ship is worth salvaging.

Its too early to know what happened, but there was certainly a large fire onboard that got out of control, and the explosion suggests that either the weapons package and/or onboard fuel stores touched off as a result.

With only 20 men onboard, clearly they weren't conducting any exercises or tests, and the fact the incident happened in the dead of night would also almost certainly rule out a refuelling or rearming accident.

The most likely causes of the fire thus far would seem to be either gross negligence on the part of the crew, or some sort of equipment failure or a combination of the two.

My money would be that there was some sort of flamable substance leak in the engine room, which was ignited somehow and got out of control very quickly because of the skeleton crew left onboard, that touched off the main fuel tanks which ultimately triggered the large explosions.

If that was the case, then the Russians may well be liable if the leak was caused or missed during their recent refit of the boat.
 
thunderchief

thunderchief

Senior Member
Rest in peace , sailors .

Btw , folks on Indian forums blame Russia for this (faulty battery , faulty torpedo , etc ... )
 
cn_habs

cn_habs

Junior Member
thunderchief said:
Rest in peace , sailors .

Btw , folks on Indian forums blame Russia for this (faulty battery , faulty torpedo , etc ... )
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Well Russian hardware has never been known for their reliability nor quality control but it's premature to blame the Russian shipyard at this point. RIP.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Gentlemen, let's not fault find in the tragic event. Plenty of time for that later.

Lest we remember that 20 Indian shipmates perished in this tragedy.

My sincerest condolences to the families of the victims.

Remember the first stanza of the US Navy hymn..

Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd'st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea!
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Amen..
 
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no_name

Colonel
plawolf said:
My money would be that there was some sort of flamable substance leak in the engine room, which was ignited somehow and got out of control very quickly because of the skeleton crew left onboard, that touched off the main fuel tanks which ultimately triggered the large explosions.

If that was the case, then the Russians may well be liable if the leak was caused or missed during their recent refit of the boat.
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It's a diesel sub, and I though diesel don't explode that well. Could be leaking hydrogen from the batteries igniting then setting off torpedoes.
 
plawolf

plawolf

Lieutenant General
no_name said:
It's a diesel sub, and I though diesel don't explode that well. Could be leaking hydrogen from the batteries igniting then setting off torpedoes.
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Diesel doesn't combust as easily or violently as petrol, but it is still a highly flammable fuel, and anything burning in a sealed, pressurised metal container is likely to cause a massive explosion from the pressure build up alone.

A leak and explosion in the torpedo room is certainly a real possibility, but given the time and circumstances, it seems unlikely that a torpedo could have leaked as a result of an accident during loading or training. If the torpedos were safely stored away, the chances of one leaking is very remote, and even so, you would expect the leak to have been noticed and brought under control before it ignited.

No matter what, a whole load of things went badly wrong for this to have happened.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
The fire and explosions were extremely large for this sized vessel. This video is from a distance and clearly, the entire vessel would have been engulfed...I doubt any of the sailors trapped in the vessel would have lived very long at all...all of their oxygen would have been rapidly burned off, and the heat inside the vessel would have been fatal.


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Huffington Post said:
NEW DELHI — All 18 sailors aboard an Indian submarine hit Wednesday by twin explosions and an intense fire are feared dead, a naval official said. The submarine had also been damaged in a deadly explosion in 2010 and had only recently returned to service.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because divers had yet to recover any bodies, said the navy believed there was no way anyone could have survived the intensity of the blasts and fire, which occurred when the diesel-powered submarine was docked at a Mumbai navy base.

"We hope for the best but we have to prepare for the worst," Admiral D.K. Joshi, the navy chief, told reporters earlier in Mumbai.

The explosions in the submarine's torpedo compartment sent a huge fireball into the air and sent nearby sailors jumping into the sea in panic. It is shaping up to be another embarrassment for India's military, which has been hit with a corruption scandal as it races to modernize its forces.

Defense Minister A.K. Antony said sailors were killed but gave no other details.

"It's a loss to all of us. It's a tragedy," Antony told reporters in New Delhi before leaving for Mumbai to assess the situation.

Because the submarine was docked, a unit of navy watchmen was on board when the blasts occurred and not the normal crew, Joshi said.

At least some weaponry exploded in the near-simultaneous blasts, Joshi added.

A video of the explosions filmed by bystanders showed an enormous ball of red and yellow fire rising hundreds of feet into the air.

The 16-year-old Russian-made submarine, INS Sindhurakshak, was hit by an explosion in 2010 that killed one sailor and injured two others. The navy said that accident was caused by a faulty battery valve that leaked hydrogen, causing an explosion in the vessel's battery compartment.

The sub recently returned from Russia after a 2 1/2 year refit, overhaul and upgrade, said Rahul Bedi, an analyst for the independent Jane's Information Group. Joshi, the navy chief, said it returned to India in April, and had been certified for use by the Indian navy.
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My prayers for the souls of these sailors, and that peace and comfort may be granted to their families and friends left behind.
 
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