PLAN container ship thread

mack8

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2000 sets a year of what, do they count each individual module, or 2000 sets of everything described, for 2000 potential conversions? If former it's still a remarkable figure (few hundred potential conversions per year), if latter that's astonishing if it means 2000 armed merchants per year. They could literally drown an enemy just with armed merchants alone, it doesn't matter if the exchange ratio is 10 merchants to 1 enemy warship, China can build several tens of millions of shipping per year. This is of course a very simplistic appraisal and the human factor must be considered (crews for all these merchants) but i guess the next step is to make them unmanned or at least minimally manned?
 
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AndrewS

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2000 sets a year of what, do they count each individual module, or 2000 sets of everything described, for 2000 potential conversions? If former it's still a remarkable figure (few hundred potential conversions per year), if latter that's astonishing if it means 2000 armed merchants per year. They could literally drown an enemy just with armed merchants alone, it doesn't matter if the exchange ratio is 10 merchants to 1 enemy warship, China can build several tens of millions of shipping per year. This is of course a very simplistic appraisal and the human factor must be considered (crews for all these merchants) but i guess the next step is to make them unmanned or at least minimally manned?

2000 armed merchants is way too many. Even 1000 would be overkill.
So it's more likely 2000 containers, which would work out as ~80 conversions.
And my guess is that they could all be completed within a month.

Consider that today, the Chinese Navy has ~50 Destroyers and ~60 Frigates.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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2000 sets a year of what, do they count each individual module, or 2000 sets of everything described, for 2000 potential conversions? If former it's still a remarkable figure (few hundred potential conversions per year), if latter that's astonishing if it means 2000 armed merchants per year. They could literally drown an enemy just with armed merchants alone, it doesn't matter if the exchange ratio is 10 merchants to 1 enemy warship, China can build several tens of millions of shipping per year. This is of course a very simplistic appraisal and the human factor must be considered (crews for all these merchants) but i guess the next step is to make them unmanned or at least minimally manned?

As of now, there are about 7500 seagoing container ships worldwide. I don't quite see how China can fully arm them all within 4 years. So of course, the article meant 2000 individual containerized modules per year.

In retrospect, per our observation so far, a container ship with the capacity of Zhong Da 79 can carry about 21 containers in fully-deployed mode (i.e. containerized VLS erected, radar, sensor and communications systems operational, CIWS and decoy systems functional). Of course, this doesn't yet include any potential containerized power packs and/or generators + fuel storage to supply power to the aforementioned systems, alongside containerized command and support systems that would mostly be stacked beneath the top container rows.

Hypothetically speaking, 2000 container modules a year would mean ~95x Zhong Da 79-worth of armed container ships per year, which is certainly way more than the actually feasible number of container ships that can actually be fitted with such systems per year (when taking all the aforementioned extra modules and larger container ship sizes into account).
 
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Andy1974

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A large amount of those 2000 will be land based.

China can take advantage of their container handling technology to make moving them around very easy.
 

Tessier2501

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The official WeChat account of the School of Mechanical Engineering and Vehicle Engineering, Beijing Institute of Technology:
This article has currently been deleted from the official WeChat account. I guess you guys were talking too loudly....

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zhangjim

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2000 sets a year of what, do they count each individual module, or 2000 sets of everything described, for 2000 potential conversions? If former it's still a remarkable figure (few hundred potential conversions per year), if latter that's astonishing if it means 2000 armed merchants per year. They could literally drown an enemy just with armed merchants alone, it doesn't matter if the exchange ratio is 10 merchants to 1 enemy warship, China can build several tens of millions of shipping per year. This is of course a very simplistic appraisal and the human factor must be considered (crews for all these merchants) but i guess the next step is to make them unmanned or at least minimally manned?
I've read the relevant comments, and they believe that this number (2000) implies that we have already anticipated the worst outcome for the United States. We have reason to believe that their past boasts about "pirate tactics" and the seizure of oil tankers are not isolated incidents; they truly will stop at nothing.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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@炮霸707军情小站 on Weibo:
关于“中达79”,本人也跟风说两句。
有人把这个事儿比作某种意义上的南天门,他们觉得很科幻。然而,这些人就没想过。
一个院校,联合110家单位,夸领域,夸行业搞的项目,咋就能科幻了呢?如果背后没有上级部门的鼎力支持,北理怎么能指挥的动那么多单位?
上级部门为啥鼎力支持呢?自然是有需求,且需求很迫切。
I'd like to say a thing or two about this "Zhong Da 79".
Some people compare this to a kind of Nantianmen in a certain sense, and they think it's very sci‑fi. However, have these people ever stopped to think?
How could a project—undertaken by one university in collaboration with 110 organizations, spanning multiple fields and industries—possibly be sci‑fi? If it weren't for the full support from higher‑level authorities, how could Beijing Institute of Technology command so many organizations?
And why do higher‑level authorities give such full support? Naturally, because there is a demand, and it is urgent.

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