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taxiya

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Being peaceful has its benefits, but when push comes to shove, as Mao said, "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Anyone familiar with Chinese (or in general, world) history understands that states are never started or ended by economics. It's always by an army.
Where did you get your half baked education on Chinese history? You bascially ignored everything Mao said before he reached that conclusion.

Do you know that Mao and CCP are Marxists? A Marxist believes that the very fundation of anything human created is economy and everything else serves that purpose, gun is just one of the many.

Before Marxism reached China, Chinese have idea of similar spirit, that is that "violent force" is the least thing keeping the state afloat. Meng Zi (Mencius) made that clear more than 2000 years ago. Tang Taizong as the greatest emperor made that clear again 1400 years ago.
 
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zbb

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But if the other economies of Asia and the European economies are put in dire straits due to the oil crisis- I would expect a decreased demand for Chinese exports.

High fossil fuel prices would push people toward renewable energy and EVs. China happens to be the dominate producer for both. Just look at what has happened in Cuba since the US cut off their Venezuelan oil supply.
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FriedButter

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His use by date is fast approaching, if he refuses to back track from the abyss, someone will and you can bet at that time no one will save him

He has until summer from my understanding. Voters make up their mind on who to vote for some time in summer. So if it isn’t over by then Chucky Orange will have to decided on going all in and get politically obliterated or he TACOs and tries to salvage an 1945 situation politically. Most likely going to triple down.
 

tamsen_ikard

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They're not wrong.

The US retains the capacity for global violence, to a degree that China can hardly match.

Being peaceful has its benefits, but when push comes to shove, as Mao said, "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Anyone familiar with Chinese (or in general, world) history understands that states are never started or ended by economics. It's always by an army.

But having an army with a global reach is one thing, using it properly is another. Defeating the Iranian regime is not as easy as just dropping a couple thousand bombs. Four years after it began, Russia has still to conquer Ukraine despite the latter being absolutely devastated by Russian bombardment and artillery. A third of the Ukrainian population has been displaced, yet Ukraine still stands.

What seems certain is the US is not going to get out of its own "Ukraine" with a quick victory. It's going to have to grind.
I would push back on this notion that US can do global violence but China cannot. Yes, its easier for US because of their network of bases and allies. Yes they have a bigger fleet of military transport planes. But this is not what defines military power.

Lets say hypothetically speaking China decided to Bomb a country in Africa, can they do it? Can they invade a country in Africa?

They can.

They can utilize their civillian air transport to move troops and weapons. They have a huge air transport industry. Yes, dedicated military air lift is nice to have, but not existential. If needed China can utilize civillian transport. Same thing for ship transport.

Can China transport its troops and planes in a far away region? Yes

Can China pursue a war lasting several months and supply those troops and planes? Yes

What China lacks is not capability, but strategic and political intent. People just cannot imagine China doing this because they have been so laser focused on economics. But its not like China lacks the ability to fight a distant war.

China's political system and strategic presence is just designed for fighting a war like this. Their rhetoric is not there.

But they absolutely have the ability to do a falkland island like long distance war if they wanted to.
 
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zbb

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Might be worth considering to stock up on food staples like rice, flour, etc.

Because fertilizer prices are going to skyrocket. Could save some money or whatever.

Most nitrogen fertilizers in the world are produced from ammonia feedstock made using natural gas as the source of hydrogen. The notable exception is China where coal is used instead of natural gas. However, China has been restricting fertilizer exports since last year.

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Bellum_Romanum

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SEA has Malaysian and Indonesian oil production though. Vietnam will be forced back into China's orbit, as China can provide it energy, at a price. South Korea and Japan having 1 year of reserves is still a finite timer. It means that rationing cannot save them. SEA and China have oil production, so at some point there will be a demand and supply equilibrium.
I think you’re both right on the narrow fuel math, but that’s exactly why I don’t see this as “just” a Gulf supply issue. The interesting question is who this situation structurally traps, and that’s where China comes in.Yes, ASEAN is the weakest link on sheer days‑of‑cover.

Most Southeast Asian states are sitting on roughly 1–3 months of stocks, while Japan/Korea are closer to 200–240 days when you add public + commercial. That means a prolonged Hormuz disruption hits ASEAN first and hardest; no argument there.But China is not a free energy backstop; it’s in the same chokehold.

China imports approx 1–12 mb/d of crude, over half of it from the Gulf, and most of that flows through the same Hormuz–Malacca corridor everyone else depends on. In a real multi‑month crisis, Beijing is scrambling to cover its own transport and industry, drawing down its SPR, and bidding against India/Japan/Korea for non‑Gulf barrels. It can drip some barrels to Vietnam or others “at a price,” but it’s not sitting safely onshore while ASEAN drowns. That’s why I read the Iran war as a China story underneath the Iran/Israel story.

Look at who actually gets squeezed hardest by a hot Hormuz:China + ASEAN + Japan + Korea are far more dependent on those sea‑lanes than the US is. ASEAN has turned into China’s biggest export market and key manufacturing platform. China has been trying to deepen its role in West Asia (including brokering the Iran–Saudi détente) to reduce its reliance on US‑centric markets and security. If you put that together, a sustained Iran/Gulf crisis doesn’t just “hurt everyone.” It specifically undermines China’s energy security, its ASEAN pivot, and its new diplomatic inroads in the Gulf.Meanwhile, who sits on the real leverage?

The US and its allies still dominate blue‑water control over Hormuz and Malacca, and the dollar system that clears the bulk of oil trade. That doesn’t make a Gulf war costless for Washington—far from it—but it does mean the relative pain is tilted toward Beijing and its Asian partners. So to me the deeper play isn’t “ASEAN suffers, so production goes back to China.” It’s more like: an Iran‑centric crisis is being used (consciously or not) to put China back in a box—by threatening its energy lifeline, rattling its main growth corridor (ASEAN+West Asia), and reminding everyone that ultimate control of the choke points still lives with the US Navy, not with Beijing.

You can argue how deliberate that is, but structurally the Iran war looks a lot more like a move in the US–China game than a standalone spat over Iran’s nukes.
 

PandaAI

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One thing CPC must do is to mercilessly crush the spread of evangelicalism in China. It’s an extremist ideology. Catholic and Orthodox Christians are fine. Protestants especially Evangelicals are highly pro-Israel. It’s a dangerous trend to allow this radical ideology to spread within China. Israel will exploit this population to their advantage. They will be more loyal to Israel than to China. You see this in the US especially under Bush and Trump.
Nip this in the bud before it’s too late.
 

FriedButter

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Most Southeast Asian states are sitting on roughly 1–3 months of stocks, while Japan/Korea are closer to 200–240 days when you add public + commercial. That means a prolonged Hormuz disruption hits ASEAN first and hardest; no argument there.But China is not a free energy backstop; it’s in the same chokehold.

At least ASEAN has some energy stockpiled. Unlike these people.

Britain has only two days of gas stored, while Iran war threatens to disrupt supplies​

Great Britain has only two days of fossil gas stored after a decline in energy reserves, as more tankers carrying liquefied natural gas (LNG) are diverted from their course to Europe towards Asia because of the Iran war.
Maximum capacity is 12 days of gas, and current storage levels equate to under two days of reserves, leading to concerns that Great Britain could run out of gas if the crisis in the Middle East escalates further.
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zbb

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You can argue how deliberate that is, but structurally the Iran war looks a lot more like a move in the US–China game than a standalone spat over Iran’s nukes.
The Iran war coming shortly after Venezuela also supports your thesis. One can also just take a look at the countless number of US thinktank analysts obsessed about China being the destination for the overwhelming majority of Venezuelan and Iranian oil exports.
 
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