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[generalmeng]

Here's something basic I realize that seems to be forgotten for some reason.

Syria, Iran, Venezuela etc. Who's responsible for keeping these nations afloat?

The answer is simple. Themselves. Their own people plus their own government. Not anyone else. It doesn't matter how difficult, its their responsibility ultimately to think of a way.

If their own people and government can't be bothered to properly manage their own sovereignty, why should China do the lifting for them? That doesn't seem fair now does it? I'm hearing rumors that Maduro's own circle sold him out which is why there was little resistance. Why should China help someone who isn't serious about helping themselves?

And before you go oh but what about the US, what kind of investments did it make again? Most of them were easy mode countries that were already developed or in an easy environment. Where was its success with say Philippines, Iraq, Afghanistan or even South Vietnam? South Korea seems to be their only real high risk investment that paid off and right now they don't even have a choice since they put a base there way back in 1950.

It is really clear, because either give up maduro, or eat sanction.

China want oil, russia want to control oil prices, usa want to make money.

Maduro's regime was build on ousting the previous ruling elites, so they can nationalize all the oil profits. This process created a new ruling elite. This new ruling elite isnt gonna be rich or elite, if they are sanctioned everyday. this is the neccessary step for venezula to develop, maduro need to be sack. they need to open up the country for investment. China cant invest in there, if USA is blockading the whole country. venezula is a mountain jungle, and they need ocean access. well guess what, they are not cuba, they actually have something of value to sell.

new ruling elite sold out maduro, collected the bounty, and the country is now open up for business. the loser is maduro (he is gonna get hang to make the venezula expat lobby happy) and the previous ruling elites (because they are never getting their money back).

There is nothing personal or emotional in this. This is just business as usual. Maduro should have anticipated this, and gone into hiding.

 

[tokenanalyst]

There were 150 jets and planes flew. The MSS should have picked up something and contact Venezuela.

All Russian defense system (S300) got jammed before they were shot down. It reminded me of India jammed Pak's HQ-9. HQ-9 used AESA and it still got jammed.

Defense system, by itself, is not a good system. You need fighter jets and EW to support it.

Bro a dude with a drone with a grenade attached would have take down a least one helicopter, let alone a RPG or a MANPAD. The Israelies that are the Isrealies don´t do that in Lebanon, they rely on fighter jets and drones to kill Hezbollah members. I am 90% convinced that Maduro was sold out by the military or other people for a deal to avoid a larger war, he was retard anyway, probably undermining his own military in every step possible. The US took the opportunity to destroy whatever they can before going out.

I think that is why Trump says that the mission could have gone sideways pretty quickly because they were not 100% sure that was not a trap. And one the reasons why the US didn't go after the other members of government and the military in a larger mission.

 

[iewgnem]

My guess is Delcy is lying to appease domestic population.

If Delcy is even capable of obtaining military and public support for doing what US wants then so could Machado and they wouldn't need to write her off.

On the other hand can you imagine Trump jumping into something without thinking it through, then try to back out by lying? Yeah.

 

[MortyandRick]

That’s just stooping to America’s level of playing dirty for no other reason than to fuck with your opponent.

I’m not saying China is categorically against such plays, but generally China prefers to at least look like it’s taking the moral high road where China is merely advancing Chinese interests and that fucking you over is just a happy coincidence.

Additionally, in this case, to play such games carries serious risks. If the Venezuelan domestic security apparatus has collectively all stood down, that speaks to a massive conspiracy and a deal having been done with the U.S. If that is so, having your agents shoot down US helicopters will most likely result in the entire Venezuelan security apparatus trying to hunt your guys down, with active American military assistance. Which is just asking for at least one of your guys to be killed or captured and then you just gift wrapped America a massive propaganda win that could carry real, serious and wide reaching diplomatic and economic consequences. All that just to kill a handful of American grunts and piss on Trump’s parade. Hardly seems worth it does it?

This is something America would do, and China is winning across the board precisely because it’s disciplined enough to not give into its baser instincts despite endless American provocations and spends its energy and resources advancing Chinese interests first and foremost instead of endlessly trying to trip America up. Because enough of America’s such dirty plays against China have backfired that China really doesn’t need to do much itself in the fucking America up department. Indeed, I suspect this high handed, I can’t be bothered to even respond to you attitude is deliberately calculated to trigger the Americans the most and drive them to try harder to fuck with China, and in doing so they end up Green lighting more and more questionable ops and schemes that backfires more often and more spectacularly.

Hey I support China's methods as much as anyone here
But geopolitics is ruthless. And needs to be played ruthlessly
If China had plausible deniability, how could they trace it? They probably think it's some rogue elements in the Venezuelan military doing it. Make it cost the Americans. Why let them have a free win.
IMO China and Russia missed a good opportunity in this case.

 

[Rafi]

There were 150 jets and planes flew. The MSS should have picked up something and contact Venezuela.

All Russian defense system (S300) got jammed before they were shot down. It reminded me of India jammed Pak's HQ-9. HQ-9 used AESA and it still got jammed.

Defense system, by itself, is not a good system. You need fighter jets and EW to support it.

You are indian without a doubt, if you believe that bs, HQ-9 was not even jammed in the wildest of Modi’s wet dreams, and that guy is a freak.

 

[jiajia99]

Hey I support China's methods as much as anyone here
But geopolitics is ruthless. And needs to be played ruthlessly
If China had plausible deniability, how could they trace it? They probably think it's some rogue elements in the Venezuelan military doing it. Make it cost the Americans. Why let them have a free win.
IMO China and Russia missed a good opportunity in this case.

Regardless of what the USA does, none of this solves the fundamental problems the USA has right now in terms of failing economy, where it is manufacturing, energy procurement and tourism so it is understandable that China is still playing the long game here. As long as China continues its divestment and is able to push the USA to the point of collapse via selling off its U.S. based treasuries and cutting the USA off from the resources that actually matter, sort term wins for the USA doesn’t matter. Eventually the U.S. decline will hit a terminal phase and when that happens, no action it takes in the Americas will save it from really melt down. When the time comes that the USA cannot print its way out, that is the moment China can overtly start to shine but until then, why rock the boat to hard because regardless of what the USA does, China will ultimately exploit this opportunity

 

[iewgnem]

I was really hoping at least, the Chinese MSS could get some info on the invasion, that they would place agents around the city and at least look a few manpad missiles against the helicopters when they flew by

Imagine the cost to the US of they had lost even a few helicopters with SOF on board. That would have been easy pickings.

You need to keep in mind China's interests:

- It's in China's interest for Venezuela to maintain or increase its ties to China
- It's not in China's interest for there to be fighting or instability that takes the country offline. Giving America a black eye might be fun but is not conducive to China's interest.
- China's interest does not require Maduro personally but would be much better served by the continuation of the same government. While chances are China can get Machado to cooperate too it would take a lot more work and time.
- There are plenty of strings China can pull on the US, especially after events during 2025, that can help guide events in China's interest.
- It's in China's interest for Venezuela to remain or become even more anti-America.

China didn't go from where it was in 1949 to today by being bad at intelligence, for both meaning of the word.

 

[tokenanalyst]

You are indian without a doubt, if you believe that bs, HQ-9 was not even jammed in the wildest of Modi’s wet dreams, and that guy is a freak.

I don´t think they even reached the HQ-9, they got clubbed by the J-10s.

 

[Rafi]

I don´t think they even reached the HQ-9, they got clubbed by the J-10s.

Exactly and the HQ9 did so well that Pakistan is seeking more systems as well as other Chinese sams. Only Indians believe that bs.

 

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