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Sardaukar20

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just in case there was any delusion in China about russian elites’ commitment to the alliance, know that they would betray China in a heartbeat if it were not for Putin team’s realpolitik. All the more reason why China should ensure this war drags on for as long as possible if only to frustrate these Russian oligarchs and ensure they die off and are replaced by more sensible Russians.
Russia has had plenty of elites who have betrayed the motherland for the West. Guys like Navalny and Prigozhin. All of these guys were dealt with ruthlessly by Putin and the state. The Russian government and its common citizen are in no mood allow these kinds of traitors to take power. These elites are more at risk ending up in the gulag or mysterious accidents than taking power and selling Russia out to the West.
 
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Puss in Boots

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Why should china lead and take such an obligation? Stop being Overly optimistic, the reality is very harsh and it's nature of human.

Like the Philippines?
You care too much about India; China doesn't even have time to glance at it.

This is a responsibility that a civilization with over five thousand years of history has to this species. It has a responsibility to lead humanity towards a better future; otherwise, who else can do that?
 

resistance

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You care too much about India; China doesn't even have time to glance at it.
If so, there wouldn't be much patrol across Himalayas.
This is a responsibility that a civilization with over five thousand years of history has to this species. It has a responsibility to lead humanity towards a better future; otherwise, who else can do that?
That responsibility causing china into century of humiliation as china was not expand enough when they had a chance in the past due to this kind of mentality. Never again!
 

Nevermore

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Wake me up when they can make their own rifles.
India today is no longer the laughable nation it was ten or fifty years ago. It has broken free from the vicious cycle of chaos and internal strife typical of Third World countries.

I have no intention of praising India's policies and strategies, but since emerging from the pandemic, India has demonstrated remarkable growth in manufacturing, foreign investment, and domestic demand. It is evident that India has entered a virtuous cycle of demographic dividend, domestic demand growth, and inflow of foreign capital and manufacturing relocation. This resembles China's situation around the year 2000. However, given India's infrastructure and government efficiency, it is unlikely to achieve the same growth rates as China did during that period. Nevertheless, this development is sufficient to warrant China's vigilance. China's concern about manufacturing shifting to India rather than Vietnam or Europe is well-founded.
 
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Sardaukar20

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So it seems if Malaysia honors their MOU with the US, it will mean they will be obligated to seize Chinese rare earth refining/manufacturing facilities and equipment on their soil in alignment with US orders, laws, or policies. US customers (US military industrial complex first and foremost) will also have first rights to any Malaysian-produced rare earth metals and magnets. This while China and Malaysia were in the process of China helping Malaysia develop refining capabilities (though not clear on whether that includes manufacturing of the magnets or just refining). This is a clear betrayal to China and Malaysia should probably be punished very severely as it constitutes a threat to Chinese national security by threatening Chinese property and arming Chinese enemies.
The Chinese rare earth refining projects in Malaysia are still in the planning stage. Judging by how sluggish the projects move in Malaysia, by the time the projects are nearing completion, Trump should be long out of office.

I doubt that Malaysia would dare to seize any Chinese investments just to please the US. But lets say that they're stupid enough to do so. Then what quantity they can produce is pittance compared to China. Plus, they won't be able to maintain those plants without Chinese assistance and supplies. The price that Malaysia would pay for this is much greater than any benefit they can get from the US. The US is still not gonna get RE products at the same price and quantity as those produced in China. So its ultimately an idiotic idea.
 
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Puss in Boots

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If so, there wouldn't be much patrol across Himalayas.

That responsibility causing china into century of humiliation as china was not expand enough when they had a chance in the past due to this kind of mentality. Never again!
Is there anything wrong with using it as a necessary defensive measure?

Your understanding of Chinese history is completely wrong. I don't want to correct any of your views, but China would never have followed the path of expansion as you have.
 

valysre

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If so, there wouldn't be much patrol across Himalayas.

That responsibility causing china into century of humiliation as china was not expand enough when they had a chance in the past due to this kind of mentality. Never again!
I think taking a break from this conversation would benefit you. It's one thing to be conscious of the dangers of social, political, scientific, and economic stagnation and the impact it has on the security of the nation (which is to be frank the primary cause of the past 200 years of misery in Chinese history); it's another thing entirely to advocate for the preemptive annihilation of other countries because they might become a risk someday. You will discover that this sort of thinking is often self-fulfilling.

One ought to build oneself up, rather than cut others down. The US has spent the last decade repeating this mistake, trying to cut China down instead of building itself up, and here you are advocating the exact same thing.
 

resistance

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I think taking a break from this conversation would benefit you. It's one thing to be conscious of the dangers of social, political, scientific, and economic stagnation and the impact it has on the security of the nation (which is to be frank the primary cause of the past 200 years of misery in Chinese history); it's another thing entirely to advocate for the preemptive annihilation of other countries because they might become a risk someday. You will discover that this sort of thinking is often self-fulfilling.

One ought to build oneself up, rather than cut others down. The US has spent the last decade repeating this mistake, trying to cut China down instead of building itself up, and here you are advocating the exact same thing.
It's not mutually exclusive as both can be done at the same time. This is why I fully advocate for water diversion. If china were a bit more expansive overseas, those problems would be minimized.
 
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