China should sanction these two companies for excluding Chinese developers from using their Chinese-based software.
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China should sanction these two companies for excluding Chinese developers from using their Chinese-based software.
Meituan suddenly became a huge player in China in AI. Now with a competitive app and multi-modal model.
The Social Credit System is a system of documenting all individuals' actions in numerous spheres of life to create a unified and all-encompassing numerical value assessing a person's trust-worthiness in relation to society, similar in principle to financial credit scores used almost universally elsewhere. It uses extensive data collection streams from financial transaction records, criminal records, camera feeds and human notation, and amalgamates it into a single database.
The law was first enacted by the State Council in 2014 () and can be thought of as a bit of an experiment in gamified group behavior modification. The higher a person's social credit score, the more benefits that person will receive in the form of lower interest rates on loans and more opportunities in academic and professional areas where the score is taken into consideration. Conversely, the lower a person's score, the more friction they will generally encounter. Because of this carrot/stick approach, people are encouraged to, essentially, be good citizens. Pay your bills on time, help others, don't litter or break laws, etc.
Here is a nice video put out by Xinhua from a few years ago describing it:
Critics of the approach tend to focus on the subversive effects such a gamified approach can have in terms of chilling free speech, etc. Likewise, some nationalists tend to react in an overly sensitive way and insist that the system doesn't really exist or is an invention of the China haters.
I personally don't care about any of that. The Social Credit System is real, and it is a behavior modification device, just like the financial credit system used elsewhere.
My purpose in mentioning it when talking about the Qwen 3 Max engine is to point out that the engine seemed to flag a number of topics as being sensitive that weren't really sensitive, and that Chinese users might get spooked by that. In other words, the AI engine seemed to be registering false positives for bad behavior.
Yep, They messed up a bit.
my explanation on the OCS, OXC behind Huawei's Atlas-950/960
It's truly a very innovative system.
It's truly a very innovative system.
recommend you look up personal social credit score 2025, think you'll be disappointed reality doesn't live up to fiction. Long and short is that there's no unified social credit system (except for PBOC system for tracking business entities/corporations), and the personal non-voluntary pilots were all shut down, the NRDC explicitly forbade anything which exceeded standard legal punishment for criminal activity (i.e. punishments for posting cringe, wrongthink with deepseek).
I only mentioned the social credit system as a passing consideration for users in a comment of an AI product review. It definitely wasn't my focus.
But I see no reason pretend this isn't real or is some myth or fiction. Yes, it is iterative process, but so were market reforms (started in 1978, ongoing) and the gradual rollout of internet security policies (started in 1997, ongoing). To quote section one from this 2025 State Council proclamation, 中共中央办公厅 国务院办公厅关于健全社会信用体系的意见 (Opinions of the General Office of the CPC Central Committee and the General Office of the State Council on Improving the Social Credit System):
坚持以习近平新时代中国特色社会主义思想为指导，深入贯彻党的二十大和二十届二中、三中全会精神，坚持和加强党的领导，坚持稳中求进工作总基调，完整准确全面贯彻新发展理念，坚持政府引导、市场驱动、社会共建，坚持弘扬诚信文化，坚持公共信用信息和市场信用信息相互融合，坚持信用奖惩合理合法，构建覆盖各类主体、制度规则统一、共建共享共用的社会信用体系，推动社会信用体系与经济社会发展各方面各环节深度融合，为加快建设全国统一大市场、维护公平有序竞争市场秩序、推动高质量发展提供有力支撑。
"Guided by Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, and thoroughly implementing the spirit of the 20th CPC National Congress and the Second and Third Plenary Sessions of the 20th CPC Central Committee, we will uphold and strengthen the Party's leadership, adhere to the general principle of seeking progress while maintaining stability, fully and accurately implement the new development philosophy, uphold government guidance, market-driven development, and social co-construction, promote a culture of integrity, integrate public and market credit information, ensure that credit rewards and punishments are reasonable and legal, and build a social credit system that covers all types of entities, has unified rules and regulations, and is jointly built, shared, and utilized. We will promote the deep integration of the social credit system with all aspects and links of economic and social development, and provide strong support for accelerating the construction of a unified national market, maintaining a fair and orderly competitive market order, and promoting high-quality development."
The reality of the Social Credit System is literally not up for debate. Anyone who thinks it is should go debate the State Council, not me.